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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: bfd
Date: April 19, 2020 04:20PM
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Lemon Drop
As the admin mentioned, anyone can start a new virus related-thread on the FPR side. Doesn't have to be in this thread.

Of course, even visiting the anchored thread (for some) could mean about the same thing as visiting COVID-19 patients in the ICU…. wall smiley
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: space-time
Date: April 21, 2020 05:50PM
Anti-malarial drug Trump touted is linked to higher rates of death, study says

An anti-malarial drug President Trump has aggressively promoted to treat covid-19 had no benefit and was linked to higher rates of death for Veterans Affairs patients hospitalized with the novel coronavirus, according to a study.
The study by VA and academic researchers analyzed outcomes of 368 male patients nationwide, with 97 receiving hydroxychloroquine, 113 receiving hydroxychloroquine in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin, and 158 not receiving any hydroxychloroquine.
Rates of death in the groups treated with the drugs were worse than those who did not receive the drugs, the study found. Rates of patients on ventilators were roughly equal, with no benefit demonstrated by the drugs.
When asked about the study at the White House briefing on Tuesday, Trump said he was not aware of the study but that he would look into it.
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Michael
Date: April 22, 2020 12:24PM
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space-time
Anti-malarial drug Trump touted is linked to higher rates of death, study says

An anti-malarial drug President Trump has aggressively promoted to treat covid-19 had no benefit and was linked to higher rates of death for Veterans Affairs patients hospitalized with the novel coronavirus, according to a study.
The study by VA and academic researchers analyzed outcomes of 368 male patients nationwide, with 97 receiving hydroxychloroquine, 113 receiving hydroxychloroquine in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin, and 158 not receiving any hydroxychloroquine.
Rates of death in the groups treated with the drugs were worse than those who did not receive the drugs, the study found. Rates of patients on ventilators were roughly equal, with no benefit demonstrated by the drugs.
When asked about the study at the White House briefing on Tuesday, Trump said he was not aware of the study but that he would look into it.

A problem with this type of retrospective study is that it doesn't take into account that particular patients who received the hydroxychloroquine with or without azithromycin, might have been viewed by their doctors as being very, very sick and so got the drugs as a last hope for recovery because they were so sick. A greater percentage of those patient dying might reflect just how sick they were when they received the hydrozycholoroquine and not that the drug was ineffective or even more deadly than just supportive treatment.

It's interesting to me that early in their piece they say that, "Hydroxychloroquine, alone or in combination with azithromycin, is being widely used in Covid-19 therapy based on anecdotal and limited observational evidence." and end the article pointing out the importance of double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled studies. But, they present data that is very limited, itself.

Here's the report: [www.medrxiv.org]
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: April 22, 2020 12:28PM
Oh, Michael - you're so right, but Americans hate waiting for science to finish before getting their answers. They'd rather eat a half-cooked frozen burrito of pseudo-knowledge than enjoy a delicious, wholesome stew of valid conclusions that takes months to make.



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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: April 22, 2020 01:13PM
The VA report is every bit as valid as the original French "study" that the hydroxychloroquine proponents cited.



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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: deckeda
Date: April 23, 2020 06:17AM
That drug was always about throwing things against the wall to see what would stick. Not a recipe for success.
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: pdq
Date: April 23, 2020 09:28AM
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rjmacs
They'd rather eat a half-cooked frozen burrito of pseudo-knowledge than enjoy a delicious, wholesome stew of valid conclusions that takes months to make.

What a marvelously culinary metaphor that also happens to be spot on!

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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: April 23, 2020 11:18AM
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Michael
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space-time
Anti-malarial drug Trump touted is linked to higher rates of death, study says

An anti-malarial drug President Trump has aggressively promoted to treat covid-19 had no benefit and was linked to higher rates of death for Veterans Affairs patients hospitalized with the novel coronavirus, according to a study.
The study by VA and academic researchers analyzed outcomes of 368 male patients nationwide, with 97 receiving hydroxychloroquine, 113 receiving hydroxychloroquine in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin, and 158 not receiving any hydroxychloroquine.
Rates of death in the groups treated with the drugs were worse than those who did not receive the drugs, the study found. Rates of patients on ventilators were roughly equal, with no benefit demonstrated by the drugs.
When asked about the study at the White House briefing on Tuesday, Trump said he was not aware of the study but that he would look into it.

A problem with this type of retrospective study is that it doesn't take into account that particular patients who received the hydroxychloroquine with or without azithromycin, might have been viewed by their doctors as being very, very sick and so got the drugs as a last hope for recovery because they were so sick. A greater percentage of those patient dying might reflect just how sick they were when they received the hydrozycholoroquine and not that the drug was ineffective or even more deadly than just supportive treatment.

It's interesting to me that early in their piece they say that, "Hydroxychloroquine, alone or in combination with azithromycin, is being widely used in Covid-19 therapy based on anecdotal and limited observational evidence." and end the article pointing out the importance of double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled studies. But, they present data that is very limited, itself.

Here's the report: [www.medrxiv.org]


The value of this study is not that it can be used to officially approve or disapprove this treatment officially, it's that it has apparently convinced Trump and others at the WH and on Fox News to stop saying that this is the miracle cure that everybody should try because "what have you got to lose?" So maybe fewer people will put themselves at unnecessary risk by signing up to take this experimental treatment, and clinicians will heed the study's warning.

[www.theguardian.com]
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: April 23, 2020 11:26AM
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Lemon Drop
... it can be used to officially approve or disapprove this treatment officially...

Until officially approved by the Department of Redundancy Department.


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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: deckeda
Date: April 24, 2020 09:13AM
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The value of this study is not that it can be used to officially approve or disapprove this treatment officially, it's that it has apparently convinced Trump and others at the WH and on Fox News to stop saying that this is the miracle cure that everybody should try because "what have you got to lose?" ...

Color me pessimistic. They'll simply latch onto the next Miracle Cure, for the same reasons they latched into that one. We know this from past behavior.

It requires acknowledgement of wrongdoing, which is persona non grata with them both. Witness the reporters who ask him every day why he no longer talks about hydroxychloroquine. He instantly pivots to another reporter or claims to know nothing about the information that refutes his dangerous behavior.

[Edit: I forgot about the new lab “study” they’re now quoting about heat and light. In a news weeks it’ll be some new distraction of course. ]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/2020 09:26AM by deckeda.
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: April 28, 2020 12:20PM
The virus does not survive boiling.
I'll send a letter to the Whitehouse that perhaps we should start boiling COVID-19 patients to cure them.
Watch the news - it'll be the next hottest thing coming from the mouth of the Prez himself.
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: deckeda
Date: April 28, 2020 12:51PM
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S. Pupp
The virus does not survive boiling.
I'll send a letter to the Whitehouse that perhaps we should start boiling COVID-19 patients to cure them.
Watch the news - it'll be the next hottest thing coming from the mouth of the Prez himself.

Another ridiculous suggestion!

Don't you know that boiling a container large enough to fit someone into is just about impossible, at home? We need PRACTICAL solutions, fiend.

What's needed is BBQ attachment, because excessive heat also kills the virus. The infected may spit-roast themselves as they see fit (First Amendment, yo) and any gas or charcoal grill may be adapted. I'll look for Amazon links meanwhile.
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Don C
Date: May 16, 2020 10:12PM
So Apple and Google have made available the tracking app that notifies someone if their phone has been near a phone of someone who self identifies as having the Virus. The app store has quite a few of these apps. Do these apps work together so that if I make a report on my Apple app then phones running one of the other apps gets the notification? Or does my Apple app notification only go to other Apple app phones?
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: May 16, 2020 10:17PM
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Don C
So Apple and Google have made available the tracking app that notifies someone if their phone has been near a phone of someone who self identifies as having the Virus. The app store has quite a few of these apps. Do these apps work together so that if I make a report on my Apple app then phones running one of the other apps gets the notification? Or does my Apple app notification only go to other Apple app phones?

Apple and Google's tool is not out yet.

Apple has a Coronavirus app that provides info about the virus.

Apps by other parties are probably scams.



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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: deckeda
Date: May 18, 2020 10:35PM
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Don C
So Apple and Google have made available the tracking app ...

Don’t hold your breath (so to speak.) Among the myriad reasons the app will be pointless, there’s this:

“Due to strict rules imposed by the companies, the system will notify smartphone users if they’ve potentially come into contact with an infected person, but it won’t share any data with health officials or reveal where those meetings took place.”

[www.washingtonpost.com]

So, you can take a guess where you’ve been and who you’ve been in contact with, or just write it down at the time.
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Can you get the virus again?
Posted by: Speedy
Date: May 23, 2020 07:31AM
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“For patients who do not display the classic COVID-19 symptoms, which usually involve a combination of respiratory problems and a fever, the common nasal swab test is also problematic, according to Patel. “As the virus migrates … into other parts of your body, you might not have a nasal swab that’s always positive, which is why it’s not a perfect test itself,” she said.

The worst-case scenario, both for the Theodore Roosevelt and for society at large, would be if the individuals who tested positive after recovering from COVID-19 had actually been reinfected, because that would not only mean they are capable of infecting others, but it would also imply that recovery from the disease confers little to no immunity against reinfection. In the case of the sailors on the carrier, that possibility is “less likely” because of how soon after testing negative the crew members reported symptoms, Omer said. “The time period is fairly short for it to be the more plausible scenario.”

Patel also sounded an optimistic note about the other reports of COVID-19 survivors who have retested positive. “I haven’t seen global evidence of reinfection,” she said. It might be a plausible explanation in some cases, she added, “but given how infectious this virus is, I would expect there to be more.”



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Re: Can you get the virus again?
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: May 23, 2020 09:14AM
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Speedy
Patel also sounded an optimistic note about the other reports of COVID-19 survivors who have retested positive. “I haven’t seen global evidence of reinfection,” she said. It might be a plausible explanation in some cases, she added, “but given how infectious this virus is, I would expect there to be more.”

Latest report out of Hong Kong: Those who tested positive again after recovering from the virus were not shedding the virus. The test was detecting inactive fragments of the virus that were still present weeks afterwards. They were not contagious.



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Revisiting Dentis Thread Since early April
Posted by: SKYLANE
Date: June 04, 2020 05:02PM
Revisit of [forums.macresource.com]

Now that nearly two months have passed since this thread, anybody have a change in comfort level of going for cleaning at dentist?

I have an appointment next week, and I have an awesome dentist office. However, laying there with my face exposed for a cleaning is not exciting me.

Thoughts? Experiences?
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Re: Revisiting Dentis Thread Since early April
Posted by: rgG
Date: June 04, 2020 06:35PM
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SKYLANE
Revisit of [forums.macresource.com]

Now that nearly two months have passed since this thread, anybody have a change in comfort level of going for cleaning at dentist?

I have an appointment next week, and I have an awesome dentist office. However, laying there with my face exposed for a cleaning is not exciting me.

Thoughts? Experiences?

My husband is going next week and I will be going the week after.





Roswell, GA (Atlanta suburb)
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Re: Revisiting Dentis Thread Since early April
Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 04, 2020 09:28PM
I cancelled my appointment for next week yesterday. My daughter’s, too. My teeth can wait a year.



Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
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Re: Revisiting Dentis Thread Since early April
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: June 04, 2020 11:24PM
I have an appointment in four weeks. I am hoping the health care worker that spread it to (at least) three people is done with the super-spreading event for the moment. The county had 25 new cases in the last week of May.



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Re: Revisiting Dentis Thread Since early April
Posted by: Sam3
Date: June 05, 2020 03:45AM
I'm not really concerned. I have a temporary crown on that should have lasted only a week or two, but now has been "temporary" for over 2 months. I need to get the permanent one on. I look at it this way, they have masks on, so I'm being protected from their germs, they, however, have a greater chance of picking up my germs as my mouth is uncovered and I am breathing directly on them as they work on me.



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