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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: bfd
Date: April 19, 2020 04:20PM
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Lemon Drop
As the admin mentioned, anyone can start a new virus related-thread on the FPR side. Doesn't have to be in this thread.

Of course, even visiting the anchored thread (for some) could mean about the same thing as visiting COVID-19 patients in the ICU…. wall smiley
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: space-time
Date: April 21, 2020 05:50PM
Anti-malarial drug Trump touted is linked to higher rates of death, study says

An anti-malarial drug President Trump has aggressively promoted to treat covid-19 had no benefit and was linked to higher rates of death for Veterans Affairs patients hospitalized with the novel coronavirus, according to a study.
The study by VA and academic researchers analyzed outcomes of 368 male patients nationwide, with 97 receiving hydroxychloroquine, 113 receiving hydroxychloroquine in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin, and 158 not receiving any hydroxychloroquine.
Rates of death in the groups treated with the drugs were worse than those who did not receive the drugs, the study found. Rates of patients on ventilators were roughly equal, with no benefit demonstrated by the drugs.
When asked about the study at the White House briefing on Tuesday, Trump said he was not aware of the study but that he would look into it.
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Michael
Date: April 22, 2020 12:24PM
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space-time
Anti-malarial drug Trump touted is linked to higher rates of death, study says

An anti-malarial drug President Trump has aggressively promoted to treat covid-19 had no benefit and was linked to higher rates of death for Veterans Affairs patients hospitalized with the novel coronavirus, according to a study.
The study by VA and academic researchers analyzed outcomes of 368 male patients nationwide, with 97 receiving hydroxychloroquine, 113 receiving hydroxychloroquine in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin, and 158 not receiving any hydroxychloroquine.
Rates of death in the groups treated with the drugs were worse than those who did not receive the drugs, the study found. Rates of patients on ventilators were roughly equal, with no benefit demonstrated by the drugs.
When asked about the study at the White House briefing on Tuesday, Trump said he was not aware of the study but that he would look into it.

A problem with this type of retrospective study is that it doesn't take into account that particular patients who received the hydroxychloroquine with or without azithromycin, might have been viewed by their doctors as being very, very sick and so got the drugs as a last hope for recovery because they were so sick. A greater percentage of those patient dying might reflect just how sick they were when they received the hydrozycholoroquine and not that the drug was ineffective or even more deadly than just supportive treatment.

It's interesting to me that early in their piece they say that, "Hydroxychloroquine, alone or in combination with azithromycin, is being widely used in Covid-19 therapy based on anecdotal and limited observational evidence." and end the article pointing out the importance of double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled studies. But, they present data that is very limited, itself.

Here's the report: [www.medrxiv.org]
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: April 22, 2020 12:28PM
Oh, Michael - you're so right, but Americans hate waiting for science to finish before getting their answers. They'd rather eat a half-cooked frozen burrito of pseudo-knowledge than enjoy a delicious, wholesome stew of valid conclusions that takes months to make.



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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: April 22, 2020 01:13PM
The VA report is every bit as valid as the original French "study" that the hydroxychloroquine proponents cited.



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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: deckeda
Date: April 23, 2020 06:17AM
That drug was always about throwing things against the wall to see what would stick. Not a recipe for success.
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: pdq
Date: April 23, 2020 09:28AM
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rjmacs
They'd rather eat a half-cooked frozen burrito of pseudo-knowledge than enjoy a delicious, wholesome stew of valid conclusions that takes months to make.

What a marvelously culinary metaphor that also happens to be spot on!

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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: April 23, 2020 11:18AM
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Michael
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space-time
Anti-malarial drug Trump touted is linked to higher rates of death, study says

An anti-malarial drug President Trump has aggressively promoted to treat covid-19 had no benefit and was linked to higher rates of death for Veterans Affairs patients hospitalized with the novel coronavirus, according to a study.
The study by VA and academic researchers analyzed outcomes of 368 male patients nationwide, with 97 receiving hydroxychloroquine, 113 receiving hydroxychloroquine in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin, and 158 not receiving any hydroxychloroquine.
Rates of death in the groups treated with the drugs were worse than those who did not receive the drugs, the study found. Rates of patients on ventilators were roughly equal, with no benefit demonstrated by the drugs.
When asked about the study at the White House briefing on Tuesday, Trump said he was not aware of the study but that he would look into it.

A problem with this type of retrospective study is that it doesn't take into account that particular patients who received the hydroxychloroquine with or without azithromycin, might have been viewed by their doctors as being very, very sick and so got the drugs as a last hope for recovery because they were so sick. A greater percentage of those patient dying might reflect just how sick they were when they received the hydrozycholoroquine and not that the drug was ineffective or even more deadly than just supportive treatment.

It's interesting to me that early in their piece they say that, "Hydroxychloroquine, alone or in combination with azithromycin, is being widely used in Covid-19 therapy based on anecdotal and limited observational evidence." and end the article pointing out the importance of double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled studies. But, they present data that is very limited, itself.

Here's the report: [www.medrxiv.org]


The value of this study is not that it can be used to officially approve or disapprove this treatment officially, it's that it has apparently convinced Trump and others at the WH and on Fox News to stop saying that this is the miracle cure that everybody should try because "what have you got to lose?" So maybe fewer people will put themselves at unnecessary risk by signing up to take this experimental treatment, and clinicians will heed the study's warning.

[www.theguardian.com]
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: April 23, 2020 11:26AM
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Lemon Drop
... it can be used to officially approve or disapprove this treatment officially...

Until officially approved by the Department of Redundancy Department.


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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: deckeda
Date: April 24, 2020 09:13AM
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The value of this study is not that it can be used to officially approve or disapprove this treatment officially, it's that it has apparently convinced Trump and others at the WH and on Fox News to stop saying that this is the miracle cure that everybody should try because "what have you got to lose?" ...

Color me pessimistic. They'll simply latch onto the next Miracle Cure, for the same reasons they latched into that one. We know this from past behavior.

It requires acknowledgement of wrongdoing, which is persona non grata with them both. Witness the reporters who ask him every day why he no longer talks about hydroxychloroquine. He instantly pivots to another reporter or claims to know nothing about the information that refutes his dangerous behavior.

[Edit: I forgot about the new lab “study” they’re now quoting about heat and light. In a news weeks it’ll be some new distraction of course. ]



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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: April 28, 2020 12:20PM
The virus does not survive boiling.
I'll send a letter to the Whitehouse that perhaps we should start boiling COVID-19 patients to cure them.
Watch the news - it'll be the next hottest thing coming from the mouth of the Prez himself.
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: deckeda
Date: April 28, 2020 12:51PM
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S. Pupp
The virus does not survive boiling.
I'll send a letter to the Whitehouse that perhaps we should start boiling COVID-19 patients to cure them.
Watch the news - it'll be the next hottest thing coming from the mouth of the Prez himself.

Another ridiculous suggestion!

Don't you know that boiling a container large enough to fit someone into is just about impossible, at home? We need PRACTICAL solutions, fiend.

What's needed is BBQ attachment, because excessive heat also kills the virus. The infected may spit-roast themselves as they see fit (First Amendment, yo) and any gas or charcoal grill may be adapted. I'll look for Amazon links meanwhile.
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Don C
Date: May 16, 2020 10:12PM
So Apple and Google have made available the tracking app that notifies someone if their phone has been near a phone of someone who self identifies as having the Virus. The app store has quite a few of these apps. Do these apps work together so that if I make a report on my Apple app then phones running one of the other apps gets the notification? Or does my Apple app notification only go to other Apple app phones?
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: May 16, 2020 10:17PM
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Don C
So Apple and Google have made available the tracking app that notifies someone if their phone has been near a phone of someone who self identifies as having the Virus. The app store has quite a few of these apps. Do these apps work together so that if I make a report on my Apple app then phones running one of the other apps gets the notification? Or does my Apple app notification only go to other Apple app phones?

Apple and Google's tool is not out yet.

Apple has a Coronavirus app that provides info about the virus.

Apps by other parties are probably scams.



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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: deckeda
Date: May 18, 2020 10:35PM
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Don C
So Apple and Google have made available the tracking app ...

Don’t hold your breath (so to speak.) Among the myriad reasons the app will be pointless, there’s this:

“Due to strict rules imposed by the companies, the system will notify smartphone users if they’ve potentially come into contact with an infected person, but it won’t share any data with health officials or reveal where those meetings took place.”

[www.washingtonpost.com]

So, you can take a guess where you’ve been and who you’ve been in contact with, or just write it down at the time.
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Can you get the virus again?
Posted by: Speedy
Date: May 23, 2020 07:31AM
[www.aol.com]

“For patients who do not display the classic COVID-19 symptoms, which usually involve a combination of respiratory problems and a fever, the common nasal swab test is also problematic, according to Patel. “As the virus migrates … into other parts of your body, you might not have a nasal swab that’s always positive, which is why it’s not a perfect test itself,” she said.

The worst-case scenario, both for the Theodore Roosevelt and for society at large, would be if the individuals who tested positive after recovering from COVID-19 had actually been reinfected, because that would not only mean they are capable of infecting others, but it would also imply that recovery from the disease confers little to no immunity against reinfection. In the case of the sailors on the carrier, that possibility is “less likely” because of how soon after testing negative the crew members reported symptoms, Omer said. “The time period is fairly short for it to be the more plausible scenario.”

Patel also sounded an optimistic note about the other reports of COVID-19 survivors who have retested positive. “I haven’t seen global evidence of reinfection,” she said. It might be a plausible explanation in some cases, she added, “but given how infectious this virus is, I would expect there to be more.”



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Re: Can you get the virus again?
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: May 23, 2020 09:14AM
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Patel also sounded an optimistic note about the other reports of COVID-19 survivors who have retested positive. “I haven’t seen global evidence of reinfection,” she said. It might be a plausible explanation in some cases, she added, “but given how infectious this virus is, I would expect there to be more.”

Latest report out of Hong Kong: Those who tested positive again after recovering from the virus were not shedding the virus. The test was detecting inactive fragments of the virus that were still present weeks afterwards. They were not contagious.



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Revisiting Dentist Thread Since early April
Posted by: SKYLANE
Date: June 04, 2020 05:02PM
Revisit of [forums.macresource.com]

Now that nearly two months have passed since this thread, anybody have a change in comfort level of going for cleaning at dentist?

I have an appointment next week, and I have an awesome dentist office. However, laying there with my face exposed for a cleaning is not exciting me.

Thoughts? Experiences?



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Re: Revisiting Dentis Thread Since early April
Posted by: rgG
Date: June 04, 2020 06:35PM
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SKYLANE
Revisit of [forums.macresource.com]

Now that nearly two months have passed since this thread, anybody have a change in comfort level of going for cleaning at dentist?

I have an appointment next week, and I have an awesome dentist office. However, laying there with my face exposed for a cleaning is not exciting me.

Thoughts? Experiences?

My husband is going next week and I will be going the week after.





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Re: Revisiting Dentis Thread Since early April
Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 04, 2020 09:28PM
I cancelled my appointment for next week yesterday. My daughter’s, too. My teeth can wait a year.



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Re: Revisiting Dentis Thread Since early April
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: June 04, 2020 11:24PM
I have an appointment in four weeks. I am hoping the health care worker that spread it to (at least) three people is done with the super-spreading event for the moment. The county had 25 new cases in the last week of May.



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Re: Revisiting Dentis Thread Since early April
Posted by: Sam3
Date: June 05, 2020 03:45AM
I'm not really concerned. I have a temporary crown on that should have lasted only a week or two, but now has been "temporary" for over 2 months. I need to get the permanent one on. I look at it this way, they have masks on, so I'm being protected from their germs, they, however, have a greater chance of picking up my germs as my mouth is uncovered and I am breathing directly on them as they work on me.



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A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open.
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When 511 Epidemiologists Expect to Fly, Hug and Do 18 Other Everyday Activities Again
Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 08, 2020 06:47AM
[www.nytimes.com]

Many epidemiologists are already comfortable going to the doctor, socializing with small groups outside or bringing in mail, despite the coronavirus. But unless there’s an effective vaccine or treatment first, it will be more than a year before many say they will be willing to go to concerts, sporting events or religious services. And some may never greet people with hugs or handshakes again.

These are the personal opinions of a group of 511 epidemiologists and infectious disease specialists who were asked by The New York Times when they expect to resume 20 activities of daily life, assuming that the pandemic and the public health response to it unfold as they expect.

Their answers are not guidelines for the public, and incorporate respondents’ individual life circumstances, risk tolerance and expectations about when there will be widespread testing, contact tracing, treatment and vaccination for Covid-19. They said it’s these things that will determine their actions, because the virus sets the timeline. “The answers have nothing to do with calendar time,” said Kristi McClamroch of the University at Albany.

Still, as policymakers lift restrictions and protests break out nationwide over police brutality, epidemiologists must make their own decisions about what they will do, despite the uncertainty -- just like everyone else. They are more likely, though, to be immersed in the data about Covid-19 and have training on the dynamics of infectious disease and how to think about risk.

They mostly agreed that outdoor activities and small groups were safer than being indoors or in a crowd, and that masks would be necessary for a long time.



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Re: When 511 Epidemiologists Expect to Fly, Hug and Do 18 Other Everyday Activities Again
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: June 08, 2020 09:39PM
......so....2nd wave coming........



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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: pdq
Date: June 16, 2020 09:31AM
Some good news:

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Generic steroid reduces deaths by one-third among patients with severe covid-19, study says

The drug is the first to improve survival for covid-19-afflicted patients, said Peter Horby, one of the chief investigators for the trial.

“The survival benefit is clear and large in those patients who are sick enough to require oxygen treatment, so dexamethasone should now become standard of care in these patients,” he said in a statement. “Dexamethasone is inexpensive, on the shelf, and can be used immediately to save lives worldwide.”

Interesting, in that retrospective studies of the “Spanish” flu suggested it wasn’t so much the virus, but the exaggerated immune system response to it that produced much of the sickness and death in that earlier pandemic - perhaps here too.

Also, dexamethasone is cheap and widely available, in contrast to some of the newer drugs like remdesivir.
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 16, 2020 10:37AM
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pdq
Some good news:

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Generic steroid reduces deaths by one-third among patients with severe covid-19, study says

The drug is the first to improve survival for covid-19-afflicted patients, said Peter Horby, one of the chief investigators for the trial.

“The survival benefit is clear and large in those patients who are sick enough to require oxygen treatment, so dexamethasone should now become standard of care in these patients,” he said in a statement. “Dexamethasone is inexpensive, on the shelf, and can be used immediately to save lives worldwide.”

Interesting, in that retrospective studies of the “Spanish” flu suggested it wasn’t so much the virus, but the exaggerated immune system response to it that produced much of the sickness and death in that earlier pandemic - perhaps here too.

Also, dexamethasone is cheap and widely available, in contrast to some of the newer drugs like remdesivir.

So, will this be something advocated at the national level by our leaders? Rhetorical question.



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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: June 16, 2020 02:52PM
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pdq
Some good news:

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Generic steroid reduces deaths by one-third among patients with severe covid-19, study says

The drug is the first to improve survival for covid-19-afflicted patients, said Peter Horby, one of the chief investigators for the trial.

“The survival benefit is clear and large in those patients who are sick enough to require oxygen treatment, so dexamethasone should now become standard of care in these patients,” he said in a statement. “Dexamethasone is inexpensive, on the shelf, and can be used immediately to save lives worldwide.”

Interesting, in that retrospective studies of the “Spanish” flu suggested it wasn’t so much the virus, but the exaggerated immune system response to it that produced much of the sickness and death in that earlier pandemic - perhaps here too.

Also, dexamethasone is cheap and widely available, in contrast to some of the newer drugs like remdesivir.

Looks good. Preliminary. Not a completed study. Not peer-reviewed.



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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: June 17, 2020 02:39PM
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pdq
dexamethasone is cheap and widely available

Woah.

We'll have to fix that.

Get me pharma bro on line 1, stat!
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: June 17, 2020 04:05PM
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Lux Interior
Get me pharma bro on line 1, stat!

He can currently only make, not receive, collect phone calls...





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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 19, 2020 02:30PM
I know there are a ton of COVID19 resource pages. Here’s another:

[www.cidrap.umn.edu]



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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: pdq
Date: June 19, 2020 05:13PM
The Republican governors of certain states are in a mell of a hess.

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A slew of the biggest cities and counties in Arizona and Texas have begun to mandate face masks after their Republican governors — facing mounting pressure — gave their blessing this week.

Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey on Wednesday reversed course to allow mask requirements, while Texas Gov. Greg Abbott clarified the same day to KWTX that local officials could tell businesses to mandate masks without running afoul of his executive order banning civil or criminal penalties for those who do not cover their faces in public.

I had to laugh at that last bit. Businesses may require masks, but not governmental entities?

More conservative gymnastics no doubt in store as the Covid hoax ravages their state populations.

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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 20, 2020 12:01PM
California is mandating face masks, too.

[www.cdph.ca.gov]

SACRAMENTO – The California Department of Public Health today released updated PDF guidance that requires Californians to wear a face covering in high-risk settings. A growing body of scientific research has shown that people with no or few symptoms of COVID-19 can still spread the disease and that the use of face coverings, combined with physical distancing and frequent hand washing, will reduce the spread of COVID-19.

"Science shows that face coverings and masks work," said Governor Gavin Newsom. "They are critical to keeping those who are around you safe, keeping businesses open and restarting our economy."

Governor Newsom also addressed why he took this action now. "Simply put, we are seeing too many people with faces uncovered – putting at risk the real progress we have made in fighting the disease. California's strategy to restart the economy and get people back to work will only be successful if people act safely and follow health recommendations. That means wearing a face covering, washing your hands and practicing physical distancing."

"As Californians venture into our communities more, wearing face coverings is another important way we can help protect one another," said Dr. Sonia Angell, State Public Health Officer and Director of the California Department of Public Health. "Combined with physical distancing and frequent hand washing, wearing cloth face coverings when we are with others outside of our household will reduce the spread of COVID-19, which is still a very real threat across our state."

Today's guidance mandates the use of cloth face coverings by the general public statewide when outside the home, with limited exceptions.

Californians must wear face coverings when they are in the situations listed below:

Inside of, or in line to enter, any indoor public space;
Obtaining services from the healthcare sector in settings including, but not limited to, a hospital, pharmacy, medical clinic, laboratory, physician or dental office, veterinary clinic, or blood bank;

Waiting for or riding on public transportation or paratransit or while in a taxi, private car service, or ride-sharing vehicle;

Engaged in work, whether at the workplace or performing work off-site, when:
Interacting in-person with any member of the public;
Working in any space visited by members of the public, regardless of whether anyone from the public is present at the time;
Working in any space where food is prepared or packaged for sale or distribution to others;
Working in or walking through common areas, such as hallways, stairways, elevators, and parking facilities;
In any room or enclosed area where other people (except for members of the person's own household or residence) are present when unable to physically distance.
Driving or operating any public transportation or paratransit vehicle, taxi, or private car service or ride-sharing vehicle when passengers are present. When no passengers are present, face coverings are strongly recommended.


While outdoors in public spaces when maintaining a physical distance of six feet from persons who are not members of the same household or residence is not feasible.


The following individuals are exempt from wearing a face covering:

Children aged two and under;
Persons with a medical, mental health, or developmental disability that prevents wearing a face covering;
Persons who are hearing impaired, or communicating with a person who is hearing impaired, where the ability to see the mouth is essential for communication;
Persons for whom wearing a face covering would create a risk to the person related to their work, as determined by local, state, or federal regulators or workplace safety guidelines.
Persons who are obtaining a service involving the nose or face for which temporary removal of the face covering is necessary to perform the service;
Persons who are seated at a restaurant or other establishment that offers food or beverage service, while they are eating or drinking, provided that they are able to maintain a distance of at least six feet away from persons who are not members of the same household or residence;
Persons who are engaged in outdoor work or recreation such as swimming, walking, hiking, bicycling, or running, when alone or with household members, and when they are able to maintain a distance of at least six feet from others;
Persons who are incarcerated. Prisons and jails, as part of their mitigation plans, will have specific guidance on the wearing of face coverings of masks for both inmates and staff.

More information about the state's COVID-19 guidance is on the California Department of Public Health's Guidance web page.

More information about reopening California and what individuals can do to prevent the spread of COVID-19, visit Coronavirus (COVID-19) in California.



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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Acer
Date: June 25, 2020 05:19PM
"Everyone should just wear a damn mask"

--Marco Rubio, (R), Texaserm, Florida



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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: June 25, 2020 06:39PM
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Acer
"Everyone should just wear a damn mask"

--Marco Rubio, (R), Texas

“Texas”?? He’s a Senator from Florida.


(Or am I missing some in joke?)
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Posted by: Acer
Date: June 25, 2020 07:01PM
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DeusxMac
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Acer
"Everyone should just wear a damn mask"

--Marco Rubio, (R), Texas

“Texas”?? He’s a Senator from Florida.


(Or am I missing some in joke?)

Sorry, they all look the same from here.
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: June 26, 2020 11:22AM
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Acer
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DeusxMac
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Acer
"Everyone should just wear a damn mask"

--Marco Rubio, (R), Texas

“Texas”?? He’s a Senator from Florida.


(Or am I missing some in joke?)

Sorry, they all look the same from here.

Casual...



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Hum or hold your breath? How to protect against COVID-19 when someone gets too close
Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 27, 2020 02:23PM
[www.startribune.com]

We know that we can get the coronavirus by breathing in respiratory droplets exhaled, coughed or sneezed by someone with the disease.

So does it help to hold your breath when you pass mask-free strangers on the street, or when you have to share a public bathroom, or crowd into an elevator with other people?

“I’ve done about 750 national and international interviews now" on the COVID-19 pandemic, said Dr. Gregory Poland, a Mayo Clinic professor of medicine and infectious diseases and director of the Mayo Clinic’s vaccine research group. “Nobody has asked me that one.”

But Poland’s response: Why not?

“If you’re not breathing in, you’ve dramatically cut down the risk logically,” he said.

In fact, he said he and his family hold their breath during brief encounters with other people.

“When we’re going by people and you have to be unavoidably close, hold your breath,” he said. “You have reduced the risk of breathing it in at no cost.”



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Re: Hum or hold your breath? How to protect against COVID-19 when someone gets too close
Posted by: rgG
Date: June 27, 2020 09:46PM
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Speedy
[www.startribune.com]

We know that we can get the coronavirus by breathing in respiratory droplets exhaled, coughed or sneezed by someone with the disease.

So does it help to hold your breath when you pass mask-free strangers on the street, or when you have to share a public bathroom, or crowd into an elevator with other people?

“I’ve done about 750 national and international interviews now" on the COVID-19 pandemic, said Dr. Gregory Poland, a Mayo Clinic professor of medicine and infectious diseases and director of the Mayo Clinic’s vaccine research group. “Nobody has asked me that one.”

But Poland’s response: Why not?

“If you’re not breathing in, you’ve dramatically cut down the risk logically,” he said.

In fact, he said he and his family hold their breath during brief encounters with other people.

“When we’re going by people and you have to be unavoidably close, hold your breath,” he said. “You have reduced the risk of breathing it in at no cost.”

I have done that, even before the pandemic, if I saw or heard a person or especially a child, sneeze or cough in front of me. I would hold my breath and walk quickly through the 'danger zone.'





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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 28, 2020 10:47AM
Apropos comment:

Republicans will accept 125,000 deaths from a white president, but not affordable health care from a black president.

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Jan 03: Trump briefed on Coronavirus outbreak.
Jan 04: Golf
Jan 05: Golf
Jan 09: Rally
Jan 14: Rally
Jan 18: Golf
Jan 19: Golf
Jan 21: "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China."
Jan 28: Rally
Jan 30: Rally
Feb 01: Golf
Feb 02: Golf
Feb 10: Rally
Feb 15: Golf
Feb 16: Golf
Feb 17: Fundraiser
Feb 18: Fundraiser
Feb 19: Rally
Feb 20: Rally
Feb 21: Rally
Feb 26: "And the 15 in a couple of days is gonna be down to close to zero."
Feb 28: "Coronavirus. This is their 'new hoax'... You'll be fine."
Feb 29: 1 dead
Mar 07: Golf
Mar 08: Golf
Mar 11: 38 dead
Mar 12: "It's gonna go away."
Mar 13: "I don't take responsibility at all."
Mar 16: I give myself a “10 out of 10.”
Mar 17: 110 dead
Mar 19: "We’re not a shipping clerk."
Mar 27: "We have done a job the likes of which nobody's seen."
Mar 30: 3,150 dead
Mar 31: Buy MyPillow™
Apr 05: Take two malaria pills and have your family call me in their mourning.
Apr 07: 12,895 dead
Apr 10: "The germ has gotten so brilliant that the antibiotic can't keep up."
Apr 13: "Everything we did was right."
Apr 15: 30,081 dead
Apr 16: The states have authority.
Apr 17: Rebel against the blue states!
Apr 23: Drink two cups of Clorox and have your family call me in their mourning.
May 01: Blame China, not me.
May 03: 68,597 dead
May 05: We don't need no stinking testing!
May 08: "This is going to go away without a vaccine."
May 12: Blame Obama, not me.
May 13: 87,214 dead
May 14: "If we didn't test we wouldn't have any cases."
May 18: I love my malaria pills.
May 19: US leading in coronavirus cases is “a badge of honor.”
May 21: Masks are stupid.
May 22: Ignore your governor, go to church!
May 23: Golf
May 24: Golf
May 25: Golf
May 26: 100,800 dead
June 1: Bunker Boy!
June 20: "I said we should reduce the testing."
June 21: Golf
June 23: Rally
June 26: Statue lives matter. American lives, not so much.
June 27: 128,152 dead



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Re: Hum or hold your breath? How to protect against COVID-19 when someone gets too close
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: June 28, 2020 02:10PM
Now I see people outside on a local walk-bike path, taking masks OFF while distant from other people on the path, only putting them ON when coming close to someone. This includes people walking, running, cycling.

Do they not appreciate that we have to breathe in their exhalations, whether we're near them or not? Keep your mask ON, please.



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Re: Hum or hold your breath? How to protect against COVID-19 when someone gets too close
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: June 28, 2020 04:11PM
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rjmacs
Do they not appreciate that we have to breathe in their exhalations, whether we're near them or not? Keep your mask ON, please.

Show me a case where someone was infected from a jogger passing by at least 6 feet away.



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Re: Hum or hold your breath? How to protect against COVID-19 when someone gets too close
Posted by: Sam3
Date: June 29, 2020 03:33AM
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Sarcany
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rjmacs
Do they not appreciate that we have to breathe in their exhalations, whether we're near them or not? Keep your mask ON, please.

Show me a case where someone was infected from a jogger passing by at least 6 feet away.

Exactly. Or even closer. To become infected, time is a factor as well. Passing someone briefly will not get that much virus particles in a person.

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Erin Bromage
But where are people contracting the infection in the community? I regularly hear people worrying about grocery stores, bike rides, inconsiderate runners who are not wearing masks.... are these places of concern? Well, not really.

Read the following link: [www.erinbromage.com]



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Re: Hum or hold your breath? How to protect against COVID-19 when someone gets too close
Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 29, 2020 08:58AM
Sam3, I’ve read about those events as they each happened but this is a very good synopsis for those who are not followers of the news. Thanks!



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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: June 30, 2020 02:46PM
I routinely hold my breath whenever I pass someone in a store even if they are wearing a mask. I figure it is better for both of us - I not breathing in any germs, nor am I exhaling any in case I am a carrier.

From my diving days, I can routinely just stop breathing for 30 seconds without taking a breath first. If I take a deep breath, I'm good for a couple of minutes (but sucking in a bunch of air at the grocery store would be counterproductive).



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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: June 30, 2020 03:10PM
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From my diving days, I can routinely just stop breathing for 30 seconds without taking a breath first...

Like, free-diving? Snorkeling?

'Cause that's bad if you're doing SCUBA. Especially if you're moving vertically.



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4th of July - 2020
Posted by: RgrF
Date: June 30, 2020 09:05PM
B-B-Que means gatherings. Not gonna be like the past.

Los Angeles County has more cases daily than all but three entire states, all fireworks canceled, beaches and bars closed - more restrictions coming tomorrow! This is an area that successfully followed early protocols, only to reopen too early.

Fauci's original projection of 100-200,000 dead is now adjustable by a 5 to10 factor.

The macho ignorant anti-mask crowd wouldn't fare well in other places. Australian's aren't pussyfooting around, they just announced 6 month jail terms + fines for anyone traveling from one Oz state to another. They may be the tip of the iceberg of what we're heading for.
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: pdq
Date: July 10, 2020 09:22AM
Texas’s Covid daily deaths have spiked these last two days to ~100:



I have to imagine this is an artifact of reclassification, or the holiday weekend, but it’s rather striking. If it’s legitimately echoing the marked increase in new cases and hospitalizations, it’s seriously bad news.
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: Speedy
Date: July 10, 2020 04:02PM
The seven day moving average should smooth out any delay in reporting due to the holiday.



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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: pdq
Date: July 11, 2020 11:24AM
30 year old Texas man dies after going to “Covid party”.

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“One of the things that was heart wrenching that he said to his nurse was, you know, I think I made a mistake.“

... “He didn’t really believe. He thought the disease was a hoax. He thought he was young and he was invincible and wouldn’t get affected by the disease,” Dr. Appleby said.

Huh. Who would have given him that idea?
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Re: All COVID-19 Discussion GOES HERE
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 11, 2020 10:11PM
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pdq
Huh. Who would have given him that idea?

These instances shoot all the holes in the, “politicians don’t matter, it’s personal choice” dreamers. There would not BE any so/called “Covid parties” if people weren’t made to feel as if it was a joke.
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