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Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 22, 2020 11:56AM
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Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
[thehill.com]

Hospitalized COVID-19 patients who were treated with hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria touted by President Trump, had a much higher risk of death than those who were not, according to a new study of 96,000 patients.

The study, published Friday in the medical journal The Lancet, found that patients who were treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine also faced a much higher risk of abnormal heartbeats, called arrhythmias, which could result in cardiac arrest.

The study looked at patients across six different continents, and is the largest analysis to date on the effects of treating COVID-19 patients with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine.

Nearly 15,000 of the 96,000 patients in the analysis were treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine alone or in combination with an antibiotic called a macrolide, similar to azithromycin, within 48 hours of their diagnosis.

The study was a retrospective analysis of medical records of patients in 671 hospitals located on six continents, but was not a randomized controlled clinical trial, which is seen as the gold standard in science.

Despite this limitation, experts say the findings are important.

"I think it's as convincing as this kind of study can be," said Jesse Goodman, a former Food and Drug Administration (FDA) chief scientist who is currently a professor of medicine at Georgetown University.

"In the light of these results, I think it's fair to say it's not looking good for a benefit of these drugs. And there's accumulating evidence that they may actually be harmful, and a lot of people may end up being harmed by their widespread use," Goodman said.
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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: GGD
Date: May 22, 2020 12:06PM
Those must have be "Obama patients", out to get him.
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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 22, 2020 12:11PM
“Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light ... and then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re gonna test that. And then I see disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute — one minute — and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that. So, that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.”
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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: Racer X
Date: May 22, 2020 12:16PM
bottom line. It is a prescribed medication. It all revolves around doctors willing to prescribe it.



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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: JoeH
Date: May 22, 2020 01:05PM
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Racer X
bottom line. It is a prescribed medication. It all revolves around doctors willing to prescribe it.

...and willing to say No when requested to prescribe it by uninformed patients who are following the latest ad, or touting by such as the orange one.
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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: Acer
Date: May 22, 2020 01:13PM
ASK YOUR DOCTOR IF THIS MEDICATION FOR A DISEASE YOU DON'T HAVE IS RIGHT FOR YOU.
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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: May 22, 2020 01:16PM
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Racer X
bottom line. It is a prescribed medication. It all revolves around doctors willing to prescribe it.

Public health officials can issue standing orders for medication in times of emergency, meaning that anyone with access to a pharmacy can obtain the drug....



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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: SteveO
Date: May 22, 2020 01:23PM
I believe a similar [Italian?] study came out 3-5 weeks ago saying basically all the same things, so not sure how this is big news, but any effort to disprove the latest Trump bs is always welcome. That study's authors discontinued it early due to alarmingly high death rates.

I'm thinking Trump has some monetary connection to this drug. Why else would The Idiot be touting it so often? SOP for Prez Narcissist Business.
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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: apocketfulofwry
Date: May 22, 2020 01:34PM
This helps explain the shift in messaging. 45* went from, "Everyone should take it. What do you have to lose?", as a treatment for COVID-19, to, "Everyone should take it — I'm taking it.", as a prophylactic to prevent you from getting COVID-19, the latter being equally unproven as the former was when COVIDIOT-45* proposed it in the first place.
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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: SteveO
Date: May 22, 2020 01:42PM
>COVIDIOT-45*

LMAO good one, replete with asterisk
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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: pdq
Date: May 22, 2020 01:49PM
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SteveO
I believe a similar [Italian?] study came out 3-5 weeks ago saying basically all the same things, so not sure how this is big news, but any effort to disprove the latest Trump bs is always welcome. That study's authors discontinued it early due to alarmingly high death rates.

I think this study is a statistical amalgamation of all of the data we have so far. So no, not really new, but as the numbers get bigger (I think this had a total of 96,000 patients) the conclusions can become a little more clear.
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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: May 22, 2020 02:05PM
Trump is taking* a drug that don't work for a disease he don't have.

* Actually, he's probably lying about it.
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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 22, 2020 02:25PM
January 21, 2020
'and then one day, he disappeared'

"Only you can prevent psycho liars "
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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: deckeda
Date: May 22, 2020 02:41PM
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Racer X
bottom line. It is a prescribed medication. It all revolves around doctors willing to prescribe it.

I feel better now, not having to ever consider what an elected official says about a topic or why. Those people can’t influence anything.
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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: AllGold
Date: May 22, 2020 03:32PM
I've been watching cable news today. Unlike other news sources, Fox "News" has conveniently failed to even mention this study.



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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: deckeda
Date: May 22, 2020 05:04PM
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AllGold
I've been watching cable news today. Unlike other news sources, Fox "News" has conveniently failed to even mention this study.

I wonder if that goes along with not mentioning that the VA still uses this drug and that it's supported by another non-doctor, the Sec. of Defense.

Anyone still think the "bottom line" is that all ya gotta do is believe in your local doc to keep you safe? What about the people who fought for our country? They getting a good deal, here?
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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: $tevie
Date: May 23, 2020 08:37PM
It's disgusting the way Trump and his stooges keep pushing Imbecillin.



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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: Mr645
Date: May 24, 2020 07:58AM
yet thousands of doctors around the world report that the drug is a valuable treatment for certain patients
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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: RgrF
Date: May 24, 2020 08:14AM
Nothing about this treatment has been proven, nothing other than it's a political ploy. Is that the sort of medical treatment you'd want if admitted exhibiting COVID symptoms?
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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: May 24, 2020 11:44AM
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Mr645
yet thousands of doctors around the world report that the drug is a valuable treatment for certain patients

Ones with malaria and rheumatoid arthritis. The ones having trouble finding the drug right now because it's all being hoarded as covid-19 snake oil.



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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: JoeH
Date: May 24, 2020 04:05PM
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Mr645
yet thousands of doctors around the world report that the drug is a valuable treatment for certain patients

Most, in fact the vast majority, doctors are not trained researchers. At best what they are reporting is that it appeared to help, and that is with no idea if it actually did anything or if the outcome would have been just the same without.

Actual researchers are finding strong indications that it does not help, and may increase the chance of the patient not surviving.
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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: May 24, 2020 05:32PM
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JoeH
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Mr645
yet thousands of doctors around the world report that the drug is a valuable treatment for certain patients

Most, in fact the vast majority, doctors are not trained researchers. At best what they are reporting is that it appeared to help, and that is with no idea if it actually did anything or if the outcome would have been just the same without.

Actual researchers are finding strong indications that it does not help, and may increase the chance of the patient not surviving.

It's okay to change your opinion as more information comes out. I was pretty hopeful when the story from France first came out. I was pro-chloroquine until late March.

Now, it looks like about 48% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine experience serious cardiac side-effects and nobody with COVID-19 gets any benefit from the meds.

So, I'd avoid the stuff.



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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: Sam3
Date: May 25, 2020 03:46AM
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Steve G.
Dr. Trump-attempted mass murder

Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
[thehill.com]

Hospitalized COVID-19 patients who were treated with hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria touted by President Trump, had a much higher risk of death than those who were not, according to a new study of 96,000 patients.

The study, published Friday in the medical journal The Lancet, found that patients who were treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine also faced a much higher risk of abnormal heartbeats, called arrhythmias, which could result in cardiac arrest.

:::snip:::

That's one way to keep the Covid-19 death rates low. They didn't die because of Covid-19, they had heart attacks. Poor souls, should have had a better diet and exercised more. /sarc



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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: RgrF
Date: May 25, 2020 04:54AM
Won't matter, once politics trumps medicine or any other science the stats are tailored to fit the policies.
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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: Mr645
Date: May 25, 2020 09:56AM
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Mr645
yet thousands of doctors around the world report that the drug is a valuable treatment for certain patients

Ones with malaria and rheumatoid arthritis. The ones having trouble finding the drug right now because it's all being hoarded as covid-19 snake oil.

Actually the most common use is for treatment of Lupus. But as far as COVID-19 it has been given to many of the most serious patients, once that were unlikely to recover. But already thousand of doctors around the world are reporting some success for some patients.
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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: May 25, 2020 12:15PM
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Mr645
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rjmacs
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Mr645
yet thousands of doctors around the world report that the drug is a valuable treatment for certain patients

Ones with malaria and rheumatoid arthritis. The ones having trouble finding the drug right now because it's all being hoarded as covid-19 snake oil.

Actually the most common use is for treatment of Lupus. But as far as COVID-19 it has been given to many of the most serious patients, once that were unlikely to recover. But already thousand of doctors around the world are reporting some success for some patients.

Real doctors believe science.



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Re: Anti-malaria drug touted by Trump has high death risk in COVID-19 patients, new study shows
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: May 27, 2020 11:25AM
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Mr645
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rjmacs
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Mr645
yet thousands of doctors around the world report that the drug is a valuable treatment for certain patients

Ones with malaria and rheumatoid arthritis. The ones having trouble finding the drug right now because it's all being hoarded as covid-19 snake oil.

Actually the most common use is for treatment of Lupus. But as far as COVID-19 it has been given to many of the most serious patients, once that were unlikely to recover. But already thousand of doctors around the world are reporting some success for some patients.

Can you provide a link to a single properly documented and peer reviewed scientific study that shows people taking the drug had a lower incidence of death while taking the drug? Over 100,000 US citizens have died so far, all the remaining citizens that have not been infected deserve valid scientific results, not unfounded anecdotes and hyperbole.

The Lancet just published a study on May 22, 2020 showing increased death rates. Even though it was not a random trial, the tens of thousands of results were enough for the WHO to halt admitting any new patients into their ongoing study.
WHO Halts Hydroxychloroquine Trial Over Safety Concerns
npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/25/861913688/who-halts-hydroxychloroquine-trial-over-safety-concerns


The Lancet: Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis
thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext


Interpretation
We were unable to confirm a benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, when used alone or with a macrolide, on in-hospital outcomes for COVID-19. Each of these drug regimens was associated with decreased in-hospital survival and an increased frequency of ventricular arrhythmias when used for treatment of COVID-19.



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