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Majority of the Minneapolis City Council pledges to dismantle the Police Department
Posted by: hal
Date: June 07, 2020 06:18PM

For activists who have been pushing for years for drastic changes to policing, the move represented a turning point that they hoped would lead to a complete transformation of public safety in the city.

“It shouldn’t have taken so much death to get us here,” Kandace Montgomery, the director of Black Vision, said from the stage at the rally. “We’re safer without armed, unaccountable patrols supported by the state hunting black people.”


Not a promise to reform, a promise to burn it to the ground and rebuild. OMG!

(just what will the police union think of this?)
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Re: Majority of the Minneapolis City Council pledges to dismantle the Police Department
Posted by: RgrF
Date: June 07, 2020 06:38PM
The bullheadedness of the head of the Police Union was the proximate cause, there was to be no reform while this troglodyte was in charge.

On Tuesday afternoon, the Minnesota AFL-CIO called for Kroll’s resignation, blaming him for his role in “[enabling] violence and brutality to grow within police ranks.” Police forces across the country have been escalating violence against demonstrators; driving vehicles into crowds; firing rubber bullets, tear gas, and flash grenades at largely peaceful gatherings; and even killing a man in Louisville, Kentucky.
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Re: Majority of the Minneapolis City Council pledges to dismantle the Police Department
Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 07, 2020 06:38PM
In Minnesota, when a town or city has no police department, the county sheriff provides the service. Because the sheriff doesn’t have sufficient officers to provide the service, they will hire and most likely the sheriff will hire the unemployed Minneapolis cops.

[www.hennepinsheriff.org]

The last sheriff was a Republican stalwart. I don’t know anything about this one.



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Re: Majority of the Minneapolis City Council pledges to dismantle the Police Department
Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 07, 2020 07:31PM
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Speedy
In Minnesota, when a town or city has no police department, the county sheriff provides the service. Because the sheriff doesn’t have sufficient officers to provide the service, they will hire and most likely the sheriff will hire the unemployed Minneapolis cops.

[www.hennepinsheriff.org]

The last sheriff was a Republican stalwart. I don’t know anything about this one.
Won't disbanding the police department kill the lousy so-called union as well? I hope so.



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Re: Majority of the Minneapolis City Council pledges to dismantle the Police Department
Posted by: Ted King
Date: June 07, 2020 07:36PM
Republicans: Unions are bad. Except, well, of course, police unions.
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Re: Majority of the Minneapolis City Council pledges to dismantle the Police Department
Posted by: sekker
Date: June 07, 2020 08:09PM
Cautiously optimistic this is progress.
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Re: Majority of the Minneapolis City Council pledges to dismantle the Police Department
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: June 07, 2020 08:42PM
Yes, cautiously optimistic.

de Blasio just announced he will also be moving some NYC funds away from police to social programs.

A number of cities are taking quick action - like outlawing choke holds and the use of tear gas on protesters, but we need so much reform that I can understand the desire to burn it down and start over.
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Re: Majority of the Minneapolis City Council pledges to dismantle the Police Department
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: June 07, 2020 10:05PM
Sell all the military equipment to some other dictatorship ..
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Re: Majority of the Minneapolis City Council pledges to dismantle the Police Department
Posted by: August West
Date: June 07, 2020 10:59PM
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cbelt3
Sell all the military equipment to some other dictatorship ..

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Re: Majority of the Minneapolis City Council pledges to dismantle the Police Department
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: June 08, 2020 10:39AM
Public unions don't have a constitutional right to collective bargaining with the state.

The Maryland legislature (and most state legislatures) can revoke police unions' right to collective bargaining. It takes political will. It takes courage. It takes loud voices of constituents.



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Re: Majority of the Minneapolis City Council pledges to dismantle the Police Department
Posted by: RgrF
Date: June 08, 2020 11:03AM
It's a contract, contracts do have constitutional privileges.

To think a political body of any sort will attempt to abrogate a contract they never should have entered into in the first place is a whimsical thought.
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Re: Majority of the Minneapolis City Council pledges to dismantle the Police Department
Posted by: JoeH
Date: June 08, 2020 12:11PM
Yes, it is a contract. And like most contracts it will have an end date.
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Re: Majority of the Minneapolis City Council pledges to dismantle the Police Department
Posted by: RgrF
Date: June 08, 2020 12:44PM
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JoeH
Yes, it is a contract. And like most contracts it will have an end date.

You mean like patents?
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Re: Majority of the Minneapolis City Council pledges to dismantle the Police Department
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: June 08, 2020 01:21PM
It is a small step, assuming they go through with it at the end of the current contract. Based on some of the Sheriff departments in that part of the country, it might not be be much of a change. It does seem Hennepin County Sheriff has higher initial requirements than Minneapolis, but any Minneapolis police with five years on the job seems to qualify. Milwaukee had the flaming asshat David Clarke until just recently, Chauvin might have blended in there fine.

I think national law enforcement could benefit from changes (not limited to):
- lowering the bar for protection/qualified immunity,
- having a national registry for police complaints (require bonding like bank tellers?),
- national requirement for police/sheriff candidates to complete an AS Criminal Justice degree with more training for de-escalation and social work.



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/08/2020 01:21PM by Filliam H. Muffman.
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Re: Majority of the Minneapolis City Council pledges to dismantle the Police Department
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: June 08, 2020 01:57PM
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RgrF
It's a contract, contracts do have constitutional privileges.

To think a political body of any sort will attempt to abrogate a contract they never should have entered into in the first place is a whimsical thought.

What are you talking about?

I'm talking about eliminating the police union's right to bargain on behalf of police officers for wages and working conditions. That would have to happen at the end of any current contracts, obviously.



rj
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Re: Majority of the Minneapolis City Council pledges to dismantle the Police Department
Posted by: RgrF
Date: June 08, 2020 03:50PM
If you're going to end a police union with rights to bargain for wages and working conditions aren't you in doing that also going to end other union rights to the same?

This is not a simple problem with an easy solution.
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Re: Majority of the Minneapolis City Council pledges to dismantle the Police Department
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: June 09, 2020 10:25AM
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RgrF
If you're going to end a police union with rights to bargain for wages and working conditions aren't you in doing that also going to end other union rights to the same?

This is not a simple problem with an easy solution.

Wisconsin singled out 'public safety unions' (read: police and firefighters) to retain collective bargaining rights when they stripped those rights from all other public unions. Why should it be unfair or untenable to do the reverse?



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