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Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 04, 2020 07:55PM
Trump said U.S. media outlets “slander” him and his allies by calling them or their actions racist. He described news coverage regarding the toppling and removal of Confederate monuments as disrespectful of the U.S. armed forces.

“You not only slander me, you not only slander American people, but you slander generations of heroes who gave their lives for America,” Trump said. “You slander people much braver and more principled than you… You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War — you slander them."
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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: July 04, 2020 08:15PM
So ... he’s the new Jefferson Davis and declaring a new Civil War ?
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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: PeterB
Date: July 04, 2020 08:24PM
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Steve G.
“You not only slander me, you not only slander American people, but you slander generations of heroes who gave their lives for America,” Trump said. “You slander people much braver and more principled than you… You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War — you slander them."

nuts smiley nuts smiley nuts smiley

... people are fighting for freedom in the Civil War ?? Like, currently? And fighting for freedom, really? And they gave their lives for America, really? I don't recall waking up in the Confederate States of America this morning.




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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 04, 2020 08:29PM




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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: July 04, 2020 08:36PM
I guess overall, it's a good thing Republicans are as stupid as they are.
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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: July 04, 2020 08:43PM
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Steve G.
You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War — you slander them."

It's just vague enough that it's hard to say with certainty that those people he's referring to were the traitorous Confederates fighting for the right to enslave, beat, murder, rape, and trade human beings.

What's a worse slander than "fighter for the Confederacy" ...?







Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/04/2020 08:44PM by Sarcany.
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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: PeterB
Date: July 04, 2020 09:12PM
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Sarcany
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Steve G.
You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War — you slander them."

It's just vague enough that it's hard to say with certainty that those people he's referring to were the traitorous Confederates fighting for the right to enslave, beat, murder, rape, and trade human beings.

What's a worse slander than "fighter for the Confederacy" ...?

That's what I took his comments to mean, which is just about as weird/misinformed as you can get.

If anyone was fighting for freedom in the Civil War, it was these guys: [en.wikipedia.org]

... who honestly I would not have known about, except from having seen the really excellent 1989 film Glory. (<--- rgG, another to add to your list!)

I wonder if these were the heroes to whom he was referring? Somehow I doubt it.




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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/04/2020 10:04PM by PeterB.
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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 04, 2020 09:36PM

standing with the forces of Law & Order!
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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: rgG
Date: July 04, 2020 09:50PM
I am honestly not certain he knows which side any of the people represented in theses statues or for whom the forts are named fought for.





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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: pdq
Date: July 04, 2020 10:00PM
...or who rammed the ramparts.

(Sorry - that one always makes me snicker).
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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: Ted King
Date: July 04, 2020 10:19PM
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Sarcany
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Steve G.
You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War — you slander them."

It's just vague enough that it's hard to say with certainty that those people he's referring to were the traitorous Confederates fighting for the right to enslave, beat, murder, rape, and trade human beings.

What's a worse slander than "fighter for the Confederacy" ...?

Yeah, I did a mental double take when I read the bolded above. WTH. Fighting for freedom to do what? Freedom to break up the union? Freedom to not allow other human beings the freedom they wanted for themselves? It's stunningly pathetic.
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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: Wags
Date: July 04, 2020 10:36PM
Gaslighting. Doesn't need to make sense.
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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: Rolando
Date: July 04, 2020 10:42PM
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Peter
If anyone was fighting for freedom in the Civil War, it was these guys: [en.wikipedia.org]

... who honestly I would not have known about, except from having seen the really excellent 1989 film Glory. (<--- rgG, another to add to your list!

Last I checked it was $8 on ITunes in 4K !

Glory by Edward Zwick



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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 04, 2020 11:17PM
It’s a simple message of the Confederacy aligning with his values. They must wrap it in false homespun pap in order to sell it. No one wants to be called racist but they sure do like to be racists.
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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: PeterB
Date: July 04, 2020 11:36PM
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deckeda
It’s a simple message of the Confederacy aligning with his values. They must wrap it in false homespun pap in order to sell it. No one wants to be called racist but they sure do like to be racists.

OK, instead of racists, how about we call them Neo-Confederate, White Supremicist, outdated, moribund, bigoted losers?




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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: July 04, 2020 11:44PM
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PeterB
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deckeda
It’s a simple message of the Confederacy aligning with his values. They must wrap it in false homespun pap in order to sell it. No one wants to be called racist but they sure do like to be racists.

OK, instead of racists, how about we call them Neo-Confederate, White Supremicist, outdated, moribund, bigoted losers?

With Drumpf in the White House they are not moribund.







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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: PeterB
Date: July 04, 2020 11:46PM
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Sarcany
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PeterB
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deckeda
It’s a simple message of the Confederacy aligning with his values. They must wrap it in false homespun pap in order to sell it. No one wants to be called racist but they sure do like to be racists.

OK, instead of racists, how about we call them Neo-Confederate, White Supremicist, outdated, moribund, bigoted losers?

With Drumpf in the White House they are not moribund.

I was referring to them all infecting each other... hopefully they all die off in a little piece of Darwinian karma.




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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: July 05, 2020 12:08PM
Stephen A. Miller Alexander H. Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy. During a speech in Savanah, Georgia, March 1861, he described the Confederacy in the “Conerstone” Speech”.

”... our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas [as those of slavery foes]; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.”

He went on to say the battle over slavery “was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.”

So yeah, ‘freedom fighters’, not that.



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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 05, 2020 12:19PM
Oh but these freedom fighters are totally cool with the origin story once it got all Americanized and sanitized. Add in a few dead relatives everyone in the family presumably “reveres” and ya gotta solid case of the Heritage <sniff>.

If my pappy did it, it cain’t be bad!
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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 05, 2020 12:49PM
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Blankity Blank
Stephen A. Miller, Vice President of the Confederacy. During a speech in Savanah, Georgia, March 1861, he described the Confederacy in the “Conerstone” Speech”.

”... our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas [as those of slavery foes]; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.”

He went on to say the battle over slavery “was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.”

So yeah, ‘freedom fighters’, not that.

Not sure if there's supposed to be sarcasm here.

The Vice President of the Confederate States was Alexander H. Stephens

Is this intended to be a slam of tRump's evil minion Stephen Miller?
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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: hal
Date: July 05, 2020 12:57PM
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DeusxMac
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Blankity Blank
Stephen A. Miller, Vice President of the Confederacy. During a speech in Savanah, Georgia, March 1861, he described the Confederacy in the “Conerstone” Speech”.

”... our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas [as those of slavery foes]; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.”

He went on to say the battle over slavery “was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.”

So yeah, ‘freedom fighters’, not that.

Not sure if there's supposed to be sarcasm here.

The Vice President of the Confederate States was Alexander H. Stephens

Is this intended to be a slam of tRump's evil minion Stephen Miller?

just a perfectly understandable freudian slip :-)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/05/2020 12:59PM by hal.
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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: rgG
Date: July 05, 2020 02:31PM
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hal
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DeusxMac
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Blankity Blank
Stephen A. Miller, Vice President of the Confederacy. During a speech in Savanah, Georgia, March 1861, he described the Confederacy in the “Conerstone” Speech”.

”... our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas [as those of slavery foes]; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.”

He went on to say the battle over slavery “was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.”

So yeah, ‘freedom fighters’, not that.

Not sure if there's supposed to be sarcasm here.

The Vice President of the Confederate States was Alexander H. Stephens

Is this intended to be a slam of tRump's evil minion Stephen Miller?

just a perfectly understandable freudian slip :-)

If the armband fits...





Roswell, GA (Atlanta suburb)
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Re: Yup he said it today:You are dishonoring people fighting for freedom in the Civil War"
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: July 05, 2020 04:54PM
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hal
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DeusxMac
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Blankity Blank
Stephen A. Miller, Vice President of the Confederacy. During a speech in Savanah, Georgia, March 1861, he described the Confederacy in the “Conerstone” Speech”.

”... our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas [as those of slavery foes]; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.”

He went on to say the battle over slavery “was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.”

So yeah, ‘freedom fighters’, not that.

Not sure if there's supposed to be sarcasm here.

The Vice President of the Confederate States was Alexander H. Stephens

Is this intended to be a slam of tRump's evil minion Stephen Miller?

just a perfectly understandable freudian slip :-)

Hal gets it in one. Corrected. big grin smiley

Thanks to both of you.
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