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Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: hal
Date: July 12, 2020 03:37PM
I'm trying to imagine a post-Trump world... help me out here.

Will any norms of the transition of power happen this time?

Will Trump ride with Biden on Inauguration Day? Will Trump even be in DC that day?

I assume that he will not respect the 'keep quiet and let the new guy get his grounding' tradition - he will be barking and tweeting on day one.

And so I wonder... will Facebook and Twitter continue to give him a free pass? Will they shut him down Jan 20? Will his new TV network launch that day?

There is so much that will certainly be different from a normal transition, but like his presidency, it will be hard to predict just how far he will range for the norm.
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: PeterB
Date: July 12, 2020 03:40PM
In an ideal world, he will take the Trump Walk of Shame, drive off in his clown car, directly into a dark tunnel, and never be seen or heard from again.

Obviously, we don't live in an ideal world, and the chances are good that he won't go quietly. Biden needs to be prepared for this ... if necessary, taking actions that make sure that whatever he says/does has no lasting effects. This might (should?) involve prison time.

Edit: now that I think of it, the best way to deal with Trump is to deprive him of an audience, so as to make him a non-entity. That's the one thing that narcissists universally cannot tolerate: being ignored.




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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: GGD
Date: July 12, 2020 03:43PM
I'm hoping that we'll be having discussions on if a former president in prison still requires secret service protection.

And how did things work out in the end with Melania's pre-nup agreement.
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: hal
Date: July 12, 2020 03:48PM
Trump isn't going to be in prison in JAN 2021... I'm thinking of the transition...

Will his people even work with the incoming people? The stories of the Obama > Trump transition was staggering. Trump people just didn't show up for meetings & such... It's always been the duty of the outgoing admin to help the incoming admin succeed. Will Trump even say that he hope Biden succeeds?
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: GGD
Date: July 12, 2020 03:55PM
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hal
Trump isn't going to be in prison in JAN 2021... I'm thinking of the transition...

Will his people even work with the incoming people? The stories of the Obama > Trump transition was staggering. Trump people just didn't show up for meetings & such... It's always been the duty of the outgoing admin to help the incoming admin succeed. Will Trump even say that he hope Biden succeeds?

I doubt that they'll put any effort into it, and even if they did, it's possible that incompetence will rule, or the accuracy will be biased by whatever 45 personally dictates. I think Biden should be prepared for a DIY transition and start identifying career employees that can be trusted to give his team the most accurate picture of the current state of affairs that they can, assuming 45 doesn't start firing them as soon as they start talking to Biden's team.
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: PeterB
Date: July 12, 2020 03:57PM
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hal
Trump isn't going to be in prison in JAN 2021... I'm thinking of the transition...

Will his people even work with the incoming people? The stories of the Obama > Trump transition was staggering. Trump people just didn't show up for meetings & such... It's always been the duty of the outgoing admin to help the incoming admin succeed. Will Trump even say that he hope Biden succeeds?

OK ... I was thinking more long-term, obviously. In terms of transition, I would hope that Trump would be gracious, but of course that's unlikely. Again, Biden needs to be prepared for that. On the other hand, there might be a few, or more than a few, in Trump's current administration who will be sighing a great sigh of relief if/when Biden takes over, and might be willing to lend a hand.




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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 12, 2020 04:02PM
Biden was in the White House for 8 years, he knows what needs to be done. I didn't initially think he was the best candidate to take the Dem nomination but it's making a lot more sense now. So much clean-up to be done.

I'd be more worried if somebody like Pete Buttigieg with zero Washington experience was taking the office.
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: vision63
Date: July 12, 2020 04:07PM
Almost all of Trump's staffers plan to have careers beyond his raggedyass.

His main concern is what's sitting on Tish James' desk. That's what's haunting him. That's what makes him shiver. Just the fact that he "moved" to Florida is testimony to that. He'll spend every day after he loses protecting his hind parts. He knows hearings and trials will come up and he'll be grifting his way to silencing his enemies and enriching his allies.

That said. I make no assumptions.
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: p8712
Date: July 12, 2020 04:12PM
I’m still thinking he’d quit, then be pardoned for federal offenses, while flying to Russia immediately after the election.

TrumpTv studios, broadcasting out of Moscow, by thanksgiving. It’d be consistent with the rest of 2020.
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: Ca Bob
Date: July 12, 2020 04:30PM
The House committees could finally get current White House staff to obey subpoenas, since the president will not attempt to block them. There ought to be a deep dive into the Russia situation.
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: btfc
Date: July 12, 2020 04:32PM
The document shredders will be smoking.
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: hal
Date: July 12, 2020 04:33PM
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vision63
Almost all of Trump's staffers plan to have careers beyond his raggedyass.

His main concern is what's sitting on Tish James' desk. That's what's haunting him. That's what makes him shiver. Just the fact that he "moved" to Florida is testimony to that. He'll spend every day after he loses protecting his hind parts. He knows hearings and trials will come up and he'll be grifting his way to silencing his enemies and enriching his allies.

That said. I make no assumptions.

How does moving to FL protect him from crimes he has committed in NY?
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: July 12, 2020 04:37PM
Assuming we’re talking about a wide enough margin where the inevitable braying about voter fraud won’t gain any traction?

I could see initially purely smoke and mirrors thrashing about regarding vowing to run again in 2024, so he can ‘finish the job’ and, well, Make America Great Again Again. Maybe even dire warnings about forming a ‘shadow cabinet’ that he’ll use to provide ‘real leadership’ to the country, lead from the front, hit the ground running after his miracle comeback in 2024, blah, blah, blah.

Realistically he won’t do much; won’t have the patience or the capability. Maybe throw a sh*tton of money at cobbling together photo ops in a foreign place or two he has no place being (And being completely ignored by anyone of real importance, having a few grip n’ grins with some out of favor ex-functionaries with the right contacts to siphon off some of Trump’s cash).
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: PeterB
Date: July 12, 2020 04:40PM
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Blankity Blank
I could see initially purely smoke and mirrors thrashing about regarding vowing to run again in 2024, so he can ‘finish the job’ and, well, Make America DieGreat Again Again.

FTFY.




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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 12, 2020 05:23PM
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: samintx
Date: July 12, 2020 05:54PM
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btfc
The document shredders will be smoking.

Yes and I can’t what will go missing. Hope there is a good inventory list.imagine
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: July 12, 2020 05:57PM
Luckily, Biden is familiar with the office, so the less Trump "helps", the better for Biden. Biden and his buddy, Barack, will handle this like princes, and pretty much ignore Trump.
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 12, 2020 06:33PM
I think Trump will try to destroy everything he can between Nov 4 and Jan 20.
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: Rolando
Date: July 12, 2020 07:33PM
Maybe a secret deal with Pence "We will look the other way for xyz you did if you remove Trump right away"



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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: July 12, 2020 07:40PM
It will not surprise me in the least that a new administration will walk in on Jan 20 and find every hard drive wiped clean, not even an OS on them.



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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: July 12, 2020 07:43PM
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Ombligo
It will not surprise me in the least that a new administration will walk in on Jan 20 and find every hard drive wiped clean, not even an OS on them.

Governor Mike Huckabee in Arkansas ran over his hard drives with a steam roller.
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 12, 2020 07:44PM
I’m not worried about any of that. If Biden wins, he knows he’ll have massive cleanup to do. So many incompetent appointees should be shown the door. So many corrupt policies will need to be reversed. Oh and then there’s the pandemic, and the U.S. infrastructure regarding that will still be in shambles ... and how long would that New President honeymoon phase last under all those conditions?

No, I’d be worried about the 2022 mid terms. How hard will Republicans fight back, assuming Dems win Congress? And if Dems did win Congress this year, could they effect enough positive change to push back against a Republican fight in 2022?

So much damage has been done by Tea Party and Freedom Party reactionaries in the last decade that I don’t see a truly functional Congress happening anywhere in the near future.
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: AllGold
Date: July 12, 2020 08:13PM
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Steve G.
I think Trump will try to destroy everything he can between Nov 4 and Jan 20.

Yep. I don't care what he does January 20th. It's the damage he will do between the election and inauguration.



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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: btfc
Date: July 12, 2020 08:22PM
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Ombligo
every hard drive wiped clean


“What? Like with a cloth or something?”



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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: July 12, 2020 09:14PM
He is going to bleach the bits. He is the best there is with bleach. Believe me.



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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 12, 2020 09:24PM
...well bleach does whiten things.
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: vision63
Date: July 13, 2020 01:05AM
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hal
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vision63
Almost all of Trump's staffers plan to have careers beyond his raggedyass.

His main concern is what's sitting on Tish James' desk. That's what's haunting him. That's what makes him shiver. Just the fact that he "moved" to Florida is testimony to that. He'll spend every day after he loses protecting his hind parts. He knows hearings and trials will come up and he'll be grifting his way to silencing his enemies and enriching his allies.

That said. I make no assumptions.

How does moving to FL protect him from crimes he has committed in NY?

It really doesn't. But they'd have to go through the trouble of extraditing him and he'd throw a hundred lawyers at that.



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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: vision63
Date: July 13, 2020 01:08AM
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Steve G.
I think Trump will try to destroy everything he can between Nov 4 and Jan 20.

He would have nothing to lose. But it'd be like in the movies when a guy is being chased in a foot pursuit, they'll topple trash cans and boxes as they run to slow down their pursuers.
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: hal
Date: July 13, 2020 02:43AM
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vision63
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Steve G.
I think Trump will try to destroy everything he can between Nov 4 and Jan 20.

He would have nothing to lose. But it'd be like in the movies when a guy is being chased in a foot pursuit, they'll topple trash cans and boxes as they run to slow down their pursuers.

what a great image in my head...
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: Janit
Date: July 13, 2020 05:28AM
One hopes that all the transition briefing materials that the Trump administration ignored have been preserved by the Obama Library. They will be four years out-of-date, but will provide a good starting framework.

More challenging will be to identify everything that has been broken, and to map out a plan to fix the broken places. I would bet that Biden's transition team will include many of the people that Trump forced out. They will know exactly what needs to be done.
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 13, 2020 05:39AM
That implementation will consume the first two years; the damage amelioration two terms.
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: WOOF
Date: July 13, 2020 12:11PM
On January 3 2021 the new congress is sworn in.
Trump is President til January 20th.
With a D majority House and Senate
Trumps life could be made miserable.

What would Republicans do if the situation sere reversed.?
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: July 13, 2020 12:13PM
Can they do a full impeachment in three weeks?



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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: hal
Date: July 13, 2020 12:16PM
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WOOF
On January 3 2021 the new congress is sworn in.
Trump is President til January 20th.
With a D majority House and Senate
Trumps life could be made miserable.

What would Republicans do if the situation sere reversed.?

They would convince the right wing supremes to retire (either by offering an Island or maybe putting a gun to their pet's head) and then rush replacements through that are all 21 years old. There are absolutely no restrictions on who can sit on the court.
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Re: Let's assume that Trump loses by a wide margin in NOV... what comes next?
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: July 13, 2020 12:41PM
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hal
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WOOF
On January 3 2021 the new congress is sworn in.
Trump is President til January 20th.
With a D majority House and Senate
Trumps life could be made miserable.

What would Republicans do if the situation sere reversed.?

They would convince the right wing supremes to retire (either by offering an Island or maybe putting a gun to their pet's head) and then rush replacements through that are all 21 years old. There are absolutely no restrictions on who can sit on the court.

So will it be Justice Ivanka, Jarred, or Barron Trump?



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