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Paging Buck - that Yale 'expert' you cited? Well, Yale has something to say about it.
Posted by: sekker
Date: August 04, 2020 05:03PM
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'We write with grave concern that too many are being distracted by the ardent advocacy of our Yale colleague, Dr. Harvey Risch, to promote the assertion that hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) when given with antibiotics is effective in treating COVID-19, in particular as an early therapeutic intervention for the disease. As his colleagues, we defend the right of Dr. Risch, a respected cancer epidemiologist, to voice his opinions. But he is not an expert in infectious disease epidemiology and he has not been swayed by the body of scientific evidence from rigorously conducted clinical trials, which refute the plausibility of his belief and arguments. '

'We are seriously alarmed for the safety of patients and the coherence and effectiveness of our national COVID-19 emergency response when misinformation about HCQ is spread and when rigorous scientific evidence and consensus produced by the community of expert researchers in infectious diseases, federal agencies and national and global health organizations are not heeded.'
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Re: Paging Buck - that Yale 'expert' you cited? Well, Yale has something to say about it.
Posted by: deckeda
Date: August 04, 2020 05:45PM
aka “It’s too bad many people listened to him.”

How about something a bit more to the point, like saying he’s literally and emphatically wrong?
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Re: Paging Buck - that Yale 'expert' you cited? Well, Yale has something to say about it.
Posted by: RgrF
Date: August 04, 2020 06:11PM
As long as someone is willing to "cherry pick" to find support for their point of view, they are unlikely to change that mind once confronted with a contradiction.

They aren't seeking information to form a conclusion, they've already arrived at that conclusion and are unlikely to reassess their opinion.
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Re: Paging Buck - that Yale 'expert' you cited? Well, Yale has something to say about it.
Posted by: Acer
Date: August 04, 2020 06:38PM
"We like the guy, but he doesn't know jack about this topic."
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Re: Paging Buck - that Yale 'expert' you cited? Well, Yale has something to say about it.
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: August 04, 2020 06:40PM
He’s that 1 out of 10 doctors from the ads..
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Re: Paging Buck - that Yale 'expert' you cited? Well, Yale has something to say about it.
Posted by: hal
Date: August 04, 2020 07:02PM
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RgrF
As long as someone is willing to "cherry pick" to find support for their point of view, they are unlikely to change that mind once confronted with a contradiction.

They aren't seeking information to form a conclusion, they've already arrived at that conclusion and are unlikely to reassess their opinion.

Indeed - I'm sure Buck has lots more sure-fire links if this one doesn't do the trick. There is ALWAYS more.
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Re: Paging Buck - that Yale 'expert' you cited? Well, Yale has something to say about it.
Posted by: btfc
Date: August 04, 2020 07:06PM
A day late and a Buck short.
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Re: Paging Buck - that Yale 'expert' you cited? Well, Yale has something to say about it.
Posted by: August West
Date: August 04, 2020 08:25PM
jest smiley



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Re: Paging Buck - that Yale 'expert' you cited? Well, Yale has something to say about it.
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 04, 2020 08:50PM
No, he won’t respond.
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Re: Paging Buck - that Yale 'expert' you cited? Well, Yale has something to say about it.
Posted by: timg
Date: August 05, 2020 05:34PM
People really need to learn to be more skeptical about these kinds of comments.

"He's a Yale Doctor so he must be right" isn't going to cut it.

It was just his opinion (not backed by Yale or any of his colleagues) and it's not his area of expertise.

of course, if we are playing by those rules, we'd have to eliminate pretty much everything that's posted in this forum. smiling smiley



Skill without imagination is craftsmanship. Imagination without skill is Modern Art.
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Re: Paging Buck - that Yale 'expert' you cited? Well, Yale has something to say about it.
Posted by: JoeH
Date: August 05, 2020 05:56PM
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It was just his opinion (not backed by Yale or any of his colleagues) and it's not his area of expertise.

He was presenting himself as an expert on this, which it turns out he is not in the field he was voicing his "opinion". He is the one who pushed the "Yale connection" and his credentials as an author of papers. Yale and his colleagues pushed back, but that was after his opinion piece was published. Many will never see that debunking.
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Re: Paging Buck - that Yale 'expert' you cited? Well, Yale has something to say about it.
Posted by: timg
Date: August 05, 2020 06:09PM
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JoeH
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It was just his opinion (not backed by Yale or any of his colleagues) and it's not his area of expertise.

He was presenting himself as an expert on this, which it turns out he is not in the field he was voicing his "opinion". He is the one who pushed the "Yale connection" and his credentials as an author of papers. Yale and his colleagues pushed back, but that was after his opinion piece was published. Many will never see that debunking.

That's where the reader needs to do their homework. Of course, most will not.



Skill without imagination is craftsmanship. Imagination without skill is Modern Art.
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Re: Paging Buck - that Yale 'expert' you cited? Well, Yale has something to say about it.
Posted by: RgrF
Date: August 05, 2020 06:57PM
That's where the reader needs to do their homework. Of course, most will not.

Thus the need for a public push-back, something most institutions like Yale seldom do. If he hadn't "sullied" their institutional name they'd have just sat back and let him go on promulgating erroneous information that could prove detrimental to public health. They had more interest in protecting their image than they ever had in serving the cause of public health.
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Re: Paging Buck - that Yale 'expert' you cited? Well, Yale has something to say about it.
Posted by: RgrF
Date: August 05, 2020 06:58PM
That's where the reader needs to do their homework. Of course, most will not.

Thus the need for a public push-back, something most institutions like Yale seldom do. If he hadn't "sullied" their institutional name they'd have just sat back and let him go on promulgating erroneous information that could prove detrimental to the public. They had more interest in protecting their image than they ever had in serving the cause of public health.
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Re: Paging Buck - that Yale 'expert' you cited? Well, Yale has something to say about it.
Posted by: timg
Date: August 05, 2020 07:09PM
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RgrF
That's where the reader needs to do their homework. Of course, most will not.

Thus the need for a public push-back, something most institutions like Yale seldom do. If he hadn't "sullied" their institutional name they'd have just sat back and let him go on promulgating erroneous information that could prove detrimental to the public. They had more interest in protecting their image than they ever had in serving the cause of public health.

Not sure how clarifying that it was one mans opinion somehow makes them indifferent to the public health crisis facing this country.

guess maybe they also believe in the first amendment rights of the citizens of this country.

keep in mind, just because someone has the right to free speech doesn't mean what he/she says is correct. again, that's for the listener to discern.



Skill without imagination is craftsmanship. Imagination without skill is Modern Art.
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Re: Paging Buck - that Yale 'expert' you cited? Well, Yale has something to say about it.
Posted by: JoeH
Date: August 05, 2020 07:23PM
The right to free speech is only given as protected from normal governmental interference. Private institutions don't have to observe that, and they can regulate it by not giving someone a platform to speak from. Even then there are points at which government can step in to limit it as well.

And your leaving it to the ;listener is just avoiding the issue, and making assumptions that the opposing information is available to the listener.

It also avoids one other consequence of free speech. As others have said, you can have the right to that free speech, but you have no freedom from the consequences.
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Re: Paging Buck - that Yale 'expert' you cited? Well, Yale has something to say about it.
Posted by: RgrF
Date: August 05, 2020 07:32PM
They had more interest in protecting their image than they ever had in serving the cause of public health.

That's a reflection of my own personal bias'. Growing up within spitting distance of Harvard, MIT & Tufts and their ongoing high-minded declarations about community involvement, I came to what might be considered a disdain for their commitment to anything aside from the health of their own institutions.



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Re: Paging Buck - that Yale 'expert' you cited? Well, Yale has something to say about it.
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: August 05, 2020 10:25PM
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RgrF
That's where the reader needs to do their homework. Of course, most will not.

Thus the need for a public push-back, something most institutions like Yale seldom do. If he hadn't "sullied" their institutional name they'd have just sat back and let him go on promulgating erroneous information that could prove detrimental to the public. They had more interest in protecting their image than they ever had in serving the cause of public health.

Not sure how clarifying that it was one mans opinion somehow makes them indifferent to the public health crisis facing this country.

guess maybe they also believe in the first amendment rights of the citizens of this country.

keep in mind, just because someone has the right to free speech doesn't mean what he/she says is correct. again, that's for the listener to discern.

They were just trying to be diplomatic about calling the guy a fool who doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Re: Paging Buck - that Yale 'expert' you cited? Well, Yale has something to say about it.
Posted by: Speedy
Date: August 05, 2020 10:42PM
“When we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.”;

“It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle—it will disappear.”

“Anybody that needs a test, gets a test. We—they’re there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful. If somebody wants to be tested right now, they’ll be able to be tested.”

”The pandemic is “fading away. It’s going to fade away.”

“99%” of COVID-19 cases are “totally harmless.”

“We now have the lowest Fatality (Mortality) Rate in the World.”

Said that private-health-insurance companies had “agreed to waive all co-payments for coronavirus treatments, extend insurance coverage to these treatments, and to prevent surprise medical billing.”

“Cases are going up in the U.S. because we are testing far more than any other country.”

“I’ve always known this is a real—this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic … I’ve always viewed it as very serious.”

“This kind of pandemic “was something nobody thought could happen … Nobody would have ever thought a thing like this could have happened.”



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