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$400 Is All You Deserve
Posted by: bfd
Date: August 08, 2020 03:54PM
Dumbf going into business for himself… again. Congress appropriates money, not the executive branch.

Everyone agrees on $400.

Then Dumbf gets challenged on the facts and abruptly leaves the room.

What a jackass.
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Re: $400 Is All You Deserve
Posted by: RgrF
Date: August 08, 2020 03:59PM
That won't even pay rent for many families. They've begun evicting tenants here in Los Angeles - noticed the Gov of VA went to court to extend their moratorium into Sept. Big shot, big name Calif guy hasn't done jack about eviction problem.
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Re: $400 Is All You Deserve
Posted by: bfd
Date: August 08, 2020 04:15PM
There's a hodgepodge of eviction moratoriums in CA. Varies by city, county. It should be a statewide moratorium for both renters and landlords. Banks have to get involved in this, too.

And once this is all over, how will some of these people ever repay their rent. When it's a month or two, OK. We're working on month SIX now… and by the time things normalize again - if they ever do - it could be this time next year.

Day-to-day existence for lower income folks is already a real mess - it was a house of cards before - and there's no doubt it's going to get even worse. It might not ever get better.
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Re: $400 Is All You Deserve
Posted by: RgrF
Date: August 08, 2020 04:30PM
And once this is all over, how will some of these people ever repay their rent. When it's a month or two, OK. We're working on month SIX now… and by the time things normalize again - if they ever do - it could be this time next year.

It's a bank issue - they were bailed after 2008, now they need to roll back mortgage obligations to allow owners and landlord with renters time to recover.
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Re: $400 Is All You Deserve
Posted by: AllGold
Date: August 08, 2020 05:32PM
Aside from tRump not having the authority, the real kicker is it isn't actually $400. It's $300 provided by the federal government, with each state expected to provide the additional $100. States don't even have the money they need to cover their regular unemployment benefits.

Edit: In addition to the obvious lack of authority, I just heard a legal expert say Executive Orders have no power over states, so tRump can't compel the states to kick in any money.







Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/08/2020 05:46PM by AllGold.
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Re: $400 Is All You Deserve
Posted by: RgrF
Date: August 08, 2020 05:37PM
It's all just another media show, the only thing he really knows how to produce.

The eviction crisis is not a show, it's real.
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Re: $400 Is All You Deserve
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: August 08, 2020 05:50PM
— U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 7, clause 1
“No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law;

yeah, THAT Constitution
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Re: $400 Is All You Deserve
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: August 08, 2020 06:54PM
Trumps payroll cut added to the unemployment causing reduced deposits (assuming no return to pre-pandemic levels before the end of 2021) means the Medicare trust runs out in 2023 and the Social Security trust is gone in 2029 (causing a 31% reduction in benefits).



“No persons are more frequently wrong, than those who will not admit they are wrong.”
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Re: $400 Is All You Deserve
Posted by: rgG
Date: August 08, 2020 06:54PM
“We don’t want to continue to watch people signing executive orders because that was not what the Constitution and the brilliant designers of this incredible document had in mind,” Trump said in March 2016. “We need people that can make deals.”





Roswell, GA (Atlanta suburb)
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Re: $400 Is All You Deserve
Posted by: rgG
Date: August 08, 2020 07:01PM
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Ombligo
Trumps payroll cut added to the unemployment causing reduced deposits (assuming no return to pre-pandemic levels before the end of 2021) means the Medicare trust runs out in 2023 and the Social Security trust is gone in 2029 (causing a 31% reduction in benefits).

He can’t set tax law. He knows he can’t set tax law, but he doesn’t care. He makes his little show and that’s all he cares about.

Another document signed by Trump on Saturday attempts to defer payroll tax payments from September through December for people who earn less than $100,000. The impact of this measure could depend on whether companies decide to comply, as they could be responsible for withdrawing large amounts of money from their employees’ paychecks in a few months when the taxes are due.

The president said if he wins reelection he would seek to extend the deferral and somehow “terminate” the amount of taxes that are owed. He also dared presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden to try and recoup the deferred tax payments if elected in November. The payroll tax funds Social Security and Medicare benefits, and it’s unclear where those programs will get funding if the taxes are deferred.


Please make sure that all AARP members know that Cheeto is threatening their Medicare and SS benefits.





Roswell, GA (Atlanta suburb)
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Re: $400 Is All You Deserve
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: August 08, 2020 08:08PM
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rgG
“We don’t want to continue to watch people signing executive orders because that was not what the Constitution and the brilliant designers of this incredible document had in mind,” Trump said in March 2016. “We need people that can make deals.”


Oh so he HAS heard of the Constitution.

He didn't count on having to make deals with Nancy "the Lioness" Pelosi...
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Re: $400 Is All You Deserve
Posted by: Racer X
Date: August 08, 2020 08:20PM
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Steve G.
— U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 7, clause 1
“No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law;

yeah, THAT Constitution

now, now, don't bring the Constitution into this. Pesky laws..... Bet he pardons himself Jan 20, 2021 at 11:59am.



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Re: $400 Is All You Deserve
Posted by: Wags
Date: August 08, 2020 09:03PM
This is a pretty good tactic on his part. A lot of fence sitters are not going to see the attack on Social Security and Medicare.
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Re: $400 Is All You Deserve
Posted by: pdq
Date: August 09, 2020 09:44AM
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Steve G.
— U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 7, clause 1
“No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law;

yeah, THAT Constitution

A letter from 2019, signed by 36 former GOP Republican members of Congress:

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It has always been a Republican fundamental principle that no matter how strong our policy preferences, no matter how deep our loyalties to presidents or party leaders, in order to remain a constitutional republic we must act within the borders of the Constitution. Our oath is to put the country and its Constitution above everything, including party politics or loyalty to a president.

Yeah, not so much any more.

The preamble to the GOP platform in 2016:

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We believe in the Constitution as our founding document.
We believe the Constitution was written not as a flexible document, but as our enduring covenant.
We believe our constitutional system — limited government, separation of powers, federalism, and the rights of the people — must be preserved uncompromised for future generations.

smiley-laughing001

One might (naively) expect that rank-and-file Republicans might take to the streets might be outraged might be mildly dyspeptic, maybe, over this extra-consitutional grab of appropriations power.

One might be wrong. IOKIYAR.
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Re: $400 Is All You Deserve
Posted by: AllGold
Date: August 09, 2020 05:02PM
Now that we're seeing the details of those EAs, it turns out that no one will see any additional UI benefits. It requires each state to sign on and agree to kick in the extra $100 and to administrate the benefits.

That pretty much guarantees zero state participation, and without that, people of the state get nothing.



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Re: $400 Is All You Deserve
Posted by: Speedy
Date: August 09, 2020 08:47PM
Trump on Executive Orders:

Feb. 19, 2016: “Obama goes around signing executive orders. He can't even get along with the Democrats. He goes around signing all these executive orders. It's a basic disaster. You can't do it.”

Jan. 26, 2016: “We have a president that can't get anything done so he just keeps signing executive orders all over the place.”

Jan. 26, 2016: “I hate what Obama does with gun legislation. He doesn't talk to anybody. He goes out and signs executive orders. In theory you're supposed to the old fashioned way, get everybody into a room and get something people agree on.”

Dec. 12, 2015: “I don't think [Obama] even tries anymore. I think he just signs executive actions.”

Nov. 10, 2015: “Nobody wants to listen to [Obama], including the Democrats, so he just goes around signing executive orders.”



Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
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