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If Trump is reelected, NATO is gone
Posted by: pdq
Date: September 04, 2020 08:24AM
NYT story, via a non-paywall site:

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Recent accounts by former senior national security officials in the Trump administration have contributed to growing unease on Capitol Hill and across Europe, as they lend credence to a scenario in which Trump, emboldened by reelection, and potentially surrounded by an inexperienced, second-term national security team, could finally move to undermine — or even end — America’s NATO membership.

John Bolton, published a book that described the president as repeatedly saying he wanted to quit the alliance.... New York Times reporter Michael S. Schmidt wrote that Trump’s former chief of staff John Kelly, a retired Marine four-star general, told others that “one of the most difficult tasks he faced with Trump was trying to stop him from pulling out of NATO.” One person who has heard Kelly speak in private settings confirmed that he has made such remarks.

Putin would finally get his payday.

Stunning, really (among all the many other stunning things we’ve seen these last 4 years) that Republicans would vote for a guy who intends to rip up the most successful military alliance in our lifetimes.
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Re: If Trump is reelected, NATO is gone
Posted by: p8712
Date: September 04, 2020 08:55AM
A second term almost guarantees that nuclear weapons will be used, somewhere.
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Re: If Trump is reelected, NATO is gone
Posted by: samintx
Date: September 04, 2020 09:00AM
Re: If Trump is reelected, WE ARE gone! facepalm
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Re: If Trump is reelected, NATO is gone
Posted by: deckeda
Date: September 04, 2020 11:44AM
Not that I’d advocate for it, but without us why couldn’t NATO survive in some other form?
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Re: If Trump is reelected, NATO is gone
Posted by: sekker
Date: September 04, 2020 12:20PM
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deckeda
Not that I’d advocate for it, but without us why couldn’t NATO survive in some other form?

No nukes.

If the US leaves NATO, we are looking at Germany, the UK and France instantly building nuclear missile defenses against Russia. I bet they are already making plans now.

The world is on a massive tipping point Nov 3.
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Re: If Trump is reelected, NATO is gone
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: September 04, 2020 01:32PM
The UK and France already have about 450 nuclear missiles combined. most are sea-launched from their subs. Germany has the capability but chose not to make any under the non-prolification treaty.



“No persons are more frequently wrong, than those who will not admit they are wrong.”
-- François de La Rochefoucauld
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Re: If Trump is reelected, NATO is gone
Posted by: sekker
Date: September 04, 2020 02:40PM
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Ombligo
The UK and France already have about 450 nuclear missiles combined. most are sea-launched from their subs. Germany has the capability but chose not to make any under the non-prolification treaty.

I forgot about the subs.
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