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When confronted on the issue of his lying to the American people, this is what Trump has to say
Posted by: PeterB
Date: September 10, 2020 08:11PM
... no, ladies and gents, you can't make this stuff up.

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... draw your own conclusions, but to me, his answer is so incoherent, full of tangents and non-sequiturs, and for him to claim that he wasn't lying ... what the heck.




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Re: When confronted on the issue of his lying to the American people, this is what Trump has to say
Posted by: space-time
Date: September 10, 2020 09:29PM
People like him no longer make the difference between truth and lies, between reality and fantasy, between good and bad, between right and wrong. Remember, his test results was "Positive" in a good way, meaning it was Negative. WTF? How can they vote for him?

I am no longer mad at him. I am mad at his supporters.
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Re: When confronted on the issue of his lying to the American people, this is what Trump has to say
Posted by: PeterB
Date: September 10, 2020 09:53PM
I can't believe that the entire text of that briefing is on whitehouse.gov.

What a disgrace.

I'm copying and pasting the entire exchange here -- ordinarily I would not do this, but the text of what he says is so insane that you have to really read it to believe it. READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY and see if this makes absolutely ANY sense to you:

Q Yes, thank you, Mr. President. Why did you lie to the American people? And why should we trust what you have to say now?

THE PRESIDENT: Such a terrible question and the phraseology. I didn’t lie. What I said is: We have to be calm; we can’t be panicked. I knew that the tapes were there. These were a series of phone calls that we had — mostly phone calls. And Bob Woodward is somebody that I respect, just from hearing the name for many, many years, not knowing too much about his work, not caring about his work.

But I thought it would be interesting to talk to him for a period of, you know, calls. So we did that. I don’t know if it’s good or bad. I don’t even know if the book is good or bad, but, certainly, if he thought that was a bad statement, he would have reported it because he thinks that — you know, you don’t want to have anybody that is going to suffer medically because of some fact. And he didn’t report it because he didn’t think it was bad. Nobody thought it was bad.

Q But when you told him that this —

THE PRESIDENT: Wait a minute. Wait a minute. And your question — the way you phrased that is such a disgrace. It’s a disgrace to ABC Television Network. It’s a disgrace to your employer. And that’s the answer. Are you ready? Because I —

Q Are you saying you didn’t lie?

THE PRESIDENT: I love —

Q I mean, you — you told him that you knew that —

THE PRESIDENT: Of course I didn’t. Of course I didn’t.

Q — it was “deadlier than the flu.”

THE PRESIDENT: No, no. No, no.

Q And then you went out and told the American public that this was “just like the flu.”

THE PRESIDENT: Let me tell you something: We’ve had flu years —

Q I mean, you told Woodward one thing and you told everybody else something else.

THE PRESIDENT: No. And five times, right? Five times. You ever hear the expression, “five times”? We’ve had flu years where we lost 100,000 people. The flu is a very serious problem for this country also. And we’ve been losing them — Scott, what kind of a number have we lost over the years with flus? Into the hundreds of thousands?

DR. ATLAS: Well, I mean, the last five years have been something like 35 to 80 thousand per year, every year, even with antiviral drugs and even with vaccines.

THE PRESIDENT: Flu is a very serious problem also.

Q But you told Bob Woodward this is — this is worse than the most deadly — “deadlier than the most strenuous flu.”

THE PRESIDENT: Okay.

Q And then you went out and said, “It’s just like the flu.”

THE PRESIDENT: What I went out and said is very simple —

Q And that it was “going to go away.”

THE PRESIDENT: Listen, what I went out and said is very simple: I want to show a level of confidence and I want a show strength as a leader, and I want to show that our country is going to be fine, one way or the other. Whether we lose one person — we shouldn’t lose any, because this shouldn’t have happened. This is China’s fault. This is nobody’s fault but China. China should not have allowed it to happen.

Whether you have a — one person, 180,000 people, or two and a half or 3 million people, which it could have been very seriously if we didn’t make the moves. And when you look at the opposition, where they said, “Oh, why did he put the ban on?” — Doctor Fauci said we saved hundreds of thousands of lives by putting the ban on China and then, ultimately, putting the ban on Europe. There was no lie here.

What we’re doing is we’re leading, and we’re leading in a proper way. And if, frankly, somebody else was leading it, they wouldn’t have closed it.

If you look at Nancy Pelosi, you look at Cuomo, you look at de Blasio, you look at Biden, months later, they said there’s no problem — they’re talking about me. Months later. And before any statement was made — you have to remember, I put the ban on China. So, obviously, outwardly I said it’s a very serious problem. And it’s always a serious problem. That doesn’t mean I’m going to jump up and down in the air and start saying, “People are going to die! People are going to die!” No. No. I’m not going to do that.

We’re going to get through this. And we’re, right now, I hope — really think we’re going to — we’re rounding the final turn. And a lot of good things are happening with vaccines and with therapeutics, but there’s no lying. And the way you ask that question is very disgraceful.

Q But should people trust you now?

THE PRESIDENT: Phil, go ahead, please. Go ahead.

Yeah, I do think so. And I think we did a great job. I think we did a great job. And the people that did such — our generals, our admirals, Mike Pence, all of the people that have worked so hard — and now Dr. Atlas — all of the — Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx — they should be respected for the job they’ve done.

Q So you won’t downplay it again?

THE PRESIDENT: And you haven’t —

Q You won’t downplay it again? Because you said you downplayed it. That’s what you told (inaudible).

THE PRESIDENT: All I’m doing is — no, I don’t want to jump up and down and start screaming “Death! Death!” because that’s not what it’s about. We have to lead a country. We’re leading a great country, and we’re doing a great job.

And the people that have done such a good job should be given the kind of credit that they deserve. We possibly have done the best jobs when you start looking at what we’re doing with the vaccines and therapeutics and ventilators. We had no ventilators, Jon. We make thousands of ventilators now a month, and we’re supplying them to the whole world. The job we’ve done is the best job. And don’t give me any credit; give the people that have done this the credit. They’ve done a great job.

Yeah, Phil. Go ahead.

Q Yeah, Mr. President, you talked about the need to stay calm and not jump up and down and scare people. A lot of other world leaders were calm. German Chancellor Angela Merkel was very calm and she presented information to the German people so that they could stay safe and protect their families. So why as you, as President of the United States, did you not level with the American people, did you not share the information that you knew at the time, in real time?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I don’t know what — what Angela is doing. But if you look at the European Union right now, they’re having breakouts like you’ve never seen before. And, frankly, their numbers are at a level that are much worse than the numbers here.

Q Many people have died in the United States.

THE PRESIDENT: We are — we have done — we have — Phil, we have done much, much better than the European Union. I just read you numbers that are not good on their behalf; that are very good at ours. And we have rounded the final turn, and we have — we’re going to have vaccines very soon —

Q (Inaudible.)

THE PRESIDENT: — maybe much sooner than you think. Listen, maybe much sooner than you think.

But we have done a phenomenal job, and the people that have done this job — including the American public that’s had to put up with a lot with the lockdowns and all of the things that they had to do — they have to be given credit. They have to be given credit.

Q But you knew this was a deadly virus.

THE PRESIDENT: Please, go ahead.

Q You knew it was airborne. You knew — on February 7th, you told Bob Woodward how it transferred from person to person in the air, how deadly it was. Why did you not come to the podium and (inaudible) people what you —

THE PRESIDENT: Well, let me ask you this: If Bob Woodward thought that was bad — because this is stuff that everyone knew. There’s a report that I have here someplace where China said it was airborne earlier than the statements I made. People knew it was airborne. This was nothing — this was no big — when I say it was airborne, everybody knew it was airborne. This was no big thing.

Q (Inaudible) put that out in February?

THE PRESIDENT: But read the reports. China came out with a statement that it was an airborne disease. I heard it was an airborne disease. I assumed it early on. The fact is, there has to be a calmness. You don’t want me jumping up and down, screaming, “There’s going to be great death. There is going to…” and really causing some very, very serious problems for the country.

If Bob Woodward thought what I said was bad, then he should’ve immediately, right after I said it, gone out to the authorities so they can prepare and let them know.

Q But Bob Woodward is not —

THE PRESIDENT: But he didn’t think it was bad, and he said he didn’t think it was bad. He actually said he didn’t think it was bad.

Q Bob Woodward is not the President.

THE PRESIDENT: The only one that said it was bad or thinks it was bad were the fake news media, because they take it and they try and put it a certain way.

If Bob Woodward thought it was bad, then he should’ve immediately gone out publicly, not wait four months. You know, he’s had that statement for four months, maybe five months. He’s had it for a long time. It was a series of taped interviews, mostly by telephone — quick ones, not long ones. Quick ones. And it was — I did it out of curiosity, because I do have respect, and I want to see — I wonder whether or not somebody like that can write good. I don’t think he can, but let’s see what happens.

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Re: When confronted on the issue of his lying to the American people, this is what Trump has to say
Posted by: deckeda
Date: September 11, 2020 07:35AM
Word salad
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Re: When confronted on the issue of his lying to the American people, this is what Trump has to say
Posted by: PeterB
Date: September 11, 2020 08:42AM
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deckeda
Word salad

Yep, pretty much ... if he weren't President, he'd have to undergo a psych exam... a real one, not one doctored by the WH.

Also, looking over the text again, I realize that at multiple points, he's referring to himself in the plural. When he says "we", he really means "I". "I've done a great job" and "I have to be given credit".




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Re: When confronted on the issue of his lying to the American people, this is what Trump has to say
Posted by: $tevie
Date: September 11, 2020 11:33AM
And his defense is amorphous as well as incoherent, changing daily. He is trying to ride it out until it goes away, like every other thing we thought was a scandal. And he’s right. This too shall pass.



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Re: When confronted on the issue of his lying to the American people, this is what Trump has to say
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: September 11, 2020 12:20PM
"... Bob Woodward is somebody that I respect" but "...not knowing too much about his work, not caring about his work" huh smiley

“...deadlier than the most strenuous flu.” but "Nobody thought it was bad." "The only one that said it was bad or thinks it was bad were the fake news media..." huh smiley


Side note: listen if the phrases "final turn" and "rounding the final turn" start popping up on the alt-right media.
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Re: When confronted on the issue of his lying to the American people, this is what Trump has to say
Posted by: PeterB
Date: September 11, 2020 01:44PM
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$tevie
And his defense is amorphous as well as incoherent, changing daily. He is trying to ride it out until it goes away, like every other thing we thought was a scandal. And he’s right. This too shall pass.

I don't think it'll pass quite as easily as he'd like ... it's just too easy fodder for Biden to use against him, particularly in a debate.

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DeusxMac
"... Bob Woodward is somebody that I respect" but "...not knowing too much about his work, not caring about his work" huh smiley

“...deadlier than the most strenuous flu.” but "Nobody thought it was bad." "The only one that said it was bad or thinks it was bad were the fake news media..." huh smiley


Side note: listen if the phrases "final turn" and "rounding the final turn" start popping up on the alt-right media.

Yup, his thinking is highly disordered and contradictory, more signs of a disturbed personality.




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Re: When confronted on the issue of his lying to the American people, this is what Trump has to say
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: September 11, 2020 06:38PM
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