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How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: davester
Date: September 11, 2008 05:45AM
This type of lying clearly works for the McCain campaign. Since there are such a huge number of dolts who rely on political advertisements and Fox News/Rush Limbaugh propaganda for their information rather than seeking out the truth, it doesn't hurt McCain's campaign at all for them to lie and distort the fact-checking organizations and various newspaper articles. This sounds like classic Karl Rove/Swiftboat tactics. Rove and McCain/Palin's motto should be "Why tell the truth when lying works better?"

[www.factcheck.org]
[www.sfgate.com]


"Man is a little germ that lives on an unimportant rock ball that revolves about a small star at the outskirts of an ordinary galaxy... ...I am absolutely amazed to discover myself on this rock ball rotating around a spherical fire. It’s a very odd situation. And the more I look at things I cannot get rid of the feeling that existence is quite weird." - Alan W. Watts




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/11/2008 05:45AM by davester.
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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: MacMagus
Date: September 11, 2008 06:37AM
> Rove and McCain/Palin's motto should be "Why tell the truth when lying works better?"

That's not their motto?

Are you sure?
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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: graylocks
Date: September 11, 2008 06:58AM
the modus operandi of the Republican party is to tell a lie over and over and over again. eventually, enough of their base believes it is true. after all, it has to be true or why else would people you trust keep repeating it...
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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: shadow
Date: September 11, 2008 08:30AM
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graylocks
eventually, enough of their base believes it is true. after all, it has to be true or why else would people you trust keep repeating it...

Sorta like "Vote for Change", right?
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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: billb
Date: September 11, 2008 08:34AM


another honest Repblican dog fighting crime
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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: mattkime
Date: September 11, 2008 08:35AM
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shadow
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graylocks
eventually, enough of their base believes it is true. after all, it has to be true or why else would people you trust keep repeating it...

Sorta like "Vote for Change", right?

yup, you're right, obama = bush.


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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: shadow
Date: September 11, 2008 09:11AM
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mattkime
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shadow
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graylocks
eventually, enough of their base believes it is true. after all, it has to be true or why else would people you trust keep repeating it...

Sorta like "Vote for Change", right?

yup, you're right, obama = bush.

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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: mattkime
Date: September 11, 2008 09:19AM
would you like some lipstick on that broken record?


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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: karsen
Date: September 11, 2008 10:01AM
How is that any different from this?

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"So nobody really thinks that Bush or McCain have a real answer for the challenges we face, so what they're going to try to do is make you scared of me. You know, he's not patriotic enough. He's got a funny name. You know, he doesn't look like all those other Presidents on those dollar bills, you know. He's risky. That's essentially the argument they're making." (Barack Obama, Remarks, Springfield, MO, 7/30/08)

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'Well, we know we're not very good but you can't risk electing Obama. You know, he's new, he doesn't look like the other presidents on the currency. He's got a funny name.' I mean, that's basically the argument -- he's too risky." (Barack Obama, Remarks, Rolla, MO, 7/30/08)

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"John McCain and the Republicans, they don't have any new ideas, that's why they're spending all their time talking about me. But since they don't have any new ideas the only strategy they've got in this election is to try to scare you about me. They're going to try to say that I'm a risky guy, they're going to try to say, 'Well, you know, he's got a funny name, and he doesn't look like all the presidents on the dollar bills and the five dollar bills,' and they're going to send out nasty e -mails." (Barack Obama, Remarks, Union, MO, 7/30/08)

Did McCain or Bush ever say Obama is not Patriotic enough, or that he has a funny name, or he's not fit because he doesn't look like the other Presidents on the dollar bills (ie white)? The answer is no.

I appreciate the dedication you seem to have towards your candidate. But Obama is doing the same thing, there's nothing new in him. The only real change he is offering is he is a Democrat in a time when Republicans are down, and right now, that's probably enough. All this crap that he's a new kind of candidate with a new kind of campaign is utter BS.

Can't we discuss the issues rather than this he said, she said bullshit?


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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: mattkime
Date: September 11, 2008 10:09AM
>>The only real change he is offering is he is a Democrat in a time when Republicans are down, and right now, that's probably enough.

Its plenty.
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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: karsen
Date: September 11, 2008 10:16AM
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mattkime
>>The only real change he is offering is he is a Democrat in a time when Republicans are down, and right now, that's probably enough.

Its plenty.

Maybe for you.

I'm more interested in policies and plans for the country than the little R or D behind the guy's name.


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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: mattkime
Date: September 11, 2008 10:24AM
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karsen
I'm more interested in policies and plans for the country than the little R or D behind the guy's name.

you're assuming that i'm not.

and ignoring the differences between the parties.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/11/2008 10:25AM by mattkime.
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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: graylocks
Date: September 11, 2008 10:35AM
Karsen -

while i can agree that Obama, like the Repubs, uses a wide brush by not differentiating between what is coming out of the McCain campaign directly and what is done in their name, i do feel as an African-American that Obama is bringing to the forefront the fear that dare-not-speak-its-name in polite conversation but is very much there. i think that is different from the outright lies of the McCain campaign.

From Fact Check.org -

Summary
A McCain-Palin campaign ad claims Obama's "one accomplishment" in the area of education was "legislation to teach 'comprehensive sex education' to kindergarteners." But the claim is simply false, and it dates back to Alan Keyes' failed race against Obama for an open Senate seat in 2004.

Obama, contrary to the ad's insinuation, does not support explicit sex education for kindergarteners. And the bill, which would have allowed only "age appropriate" material and a no-questions-asked opt-out policy for parents, was not his accomplishment to claim in any case, since he was not even a cosponsor – and the bill never left the state Senate.

In addition, the ad quotes unflattering assessments of the Illinois senator's record on education but leaves out sometimes equally harsh criticism directed at McCain in the same forums.

and this:

Those attacks on Palin that we debunked didn't come from Obama.
Summary
A McCain-Palin ad has FactCheck.org calling Obama's attacks on Palin "absolutely false" and "misleading." That's what we said, but it wasn't about Obama.

Our article criticized anonymous e-mail falsehoods and bogus claims about Palin posted around the Internet. We have no evidence that any of the claims we found to be false came from the Obama campaign.

The McCain-Palin ad also twists a quote from a Wall Street Journal columnist. He said the Obama camp had sent a team to Alaska to "dig into her record and background." The ad quotes the WSJ as saying the team was sent to "dig dirt."

personally, i was a Clinton supporter and have serious concerns about Obama as president. However, I would be even more dismayed at a McCain presidency given his lap dog pandering to the conservative base. thus, my vote will be cast in support of the Democratic Party Platform.
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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: Black Landlord
Date: September 11, 2008 10:55AM
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karsen
Can't we discuss the issues rather than this he said, she said bullshit?

I can't tell whether your frustration is with this forum, or with your party.
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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: anonymouse1
Date: September 11, 2008 11:19AM
The McCain campaign _did_ run ads showing Obama looking different from other president's on paper money--they photoshopped his head into pictures of paper currency.
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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: September 11, 2008 12:18PM
If you still want to vote Republican after all of this time, you are either a millionaire or an idiot.
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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: Black Landlord
Date: September 11, 2008 12:56PM
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anonymouse1
The McCain campaign _did_ run ads showing Obama looking different from other president's on paper money--they photoshopped his head into pictures of paper currency.

Shut up, anonymouse, no they didn't!!
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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: (vikm)
Date: September 11, 2008 01:00PM
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Dennis S
If you still want to vote Republican after all of this time, you are either a millionaire or an idiot.

I think I said something very similar in a conversation with a friend the other day. We have a common friend who is backing McCain and we can only see one reason (gun issue) why he would. He's a paycheck to paycheck guy that has no other things in common with the Republicans yet he's still for McCain.

I know people that used to vote Republican and voted for Bush that have since decided to vote for Obama. You'd have to be really stubborn to keep voting party at this point in our history.
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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: (vikm)
Date: September 11, 2008 01:15PM
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Black Landlord
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anonymouse1
The McCain campaign _did_ run ads showing Obama looking different from other president's on paper money--they photoshopped his head into pictures of paper currency.

Shut up, anonymouse, no they didn't!!

Perhaps it wasn't (or maybe it was... who knows?) McCain's campaign but I did see currency made with Obama's picture on it. I'd leave it up to others to decide what the motive was behind doing so.
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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: September 14, 2008 04:25AM
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(vikm)
I think I said something very similar in a conversation with a friend the other day. We have a common friend who is backing McCain and we can only see one reason (gun issue) why he would.

Can he tell you what the issue is, exactly? Is Obama promising to outlaw guns? I probably wouldn't vote for him in that case.

Or is it something like Obama won't allow private howitzers?

Seriously though, the "gun" issue baffles me sometimes.
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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: Greg the dogsitter
Date: September 14, 2008 10:03AM
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Lux Interior
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(vikm)
I think I said something very similar in a conversation with a friend the other day. We have a common friend who is backing McCain and we can only see one reason (gun issue) why he would.

Can he tell you what the issue is, exactly? Is Obama promising to outlaw guns? I probably wouldn't vote for him in that case.

Or is it something like Obama won't allow private howitzers?

Seriously though, the "gun" issue baffles me sometimes.

How about abortion?
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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: September 15, 2008 04:07AM
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Greg the dogsitter

How about abortion?

Like all liberals, I support a constitutional amendment making abortion mandatory.
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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: mikeylikesit
Date: September 15, 2008 04:22AM
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Lux Interior
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Greg the dogsitter

How about abortion?

Like all liberals, I support a constitutional amendment making abortion mandatory.

...but only applicable to those who live in a red state.
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Re: How do you fight these lies?...McCain campaign lies about what Factcheck.org and WSJ say
Posted by: anonymouse1
Date: September 16, 2008 10:41PM
Huh? They absolutely did:

[www.politico.com]

[www.huffingtonpost.com]

I don't know if you're trying to be sarcastic, or ironic, or what, but you're clearly wrong. It was a web ad.
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