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Bush Defends Secret Spying in the U.S.
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: December 17, 2005 09:30PM
What's next King George, Book burning and ethnic cleansing?
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Re: Bush Defends Secret Spying in the U.S.
Posted by: Pico de Orizaba
Date: December 17, 2005 09:44PM
gEE Wonder if the dimwits will go after the leaker???
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Re: Bush Defends Secret Spying in the U.S.
Posted by: JoeM
Date: December 17, 2005 10:30PM
Grateful11 Wrote:
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> What's next King George, Book burning and ethnic
> cleansing?






JoeM
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Re: Bush Defends Secret Spying in the U.S.
Posted by: RgrF
Date: December 17, 2005 10:55PM
Pico de Orizaba Wrote:
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> gEE Wonder if the dimwits will go after the
> leaker???

He broke the law but there's no one left to call him on it. The right wing controls all three branches of government, the FBI, the CIA and of course the Justice Department. The corporate media was co-opted long ago and the opposition party has a bad case of the shakes.

"leaker"??? The New York Times had the story a year ago and sat on it at government request.

Love having Shaky around, for one thing he makes the rest of look smarter than we really are.




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/17/2005 11:00PM by RgrF.
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Re: Bush Defends Secret Spying in the U.S.
Posted by: dual citizenship
Date: December 17, 2005 10:57PM
Thank you President Bush for your love for America and that for which it stands and for your
faithfulness to your oath of office. You are keeping America safe and we fully support your
leadership during this perilous time of war against the terrorists who make no secret of their
desire to destroy freedom on this planet and, along with it, everything we cherish. Only the
naive & the enemy can deny the intentions of liberty's terrorist enemy.
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Re: Bush Defends Secret Spying in the U.S.
Posted by: SteveJobs
Date: December 17, 2005 11:06PM
I say let the terrorists come and ransack the urban dwelling liberal weenies domains.
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Re: Bush Defends Secret Spying in the U.S.
Posted by: blooz
Date: December 17, 2005 11:38PM
Oh Steve,
Stuff it already!
You don't have to be urban or liberal to know that the Bushman has put us in to hock with China and is eroding our civil liberties.
You think that because you are conservative you are safe, but, there will be something, somewhere in your life, that will make you suspect and they WILL come after you. Good luick.



And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once.
—Friedrich Nietzsche
Western Massachusetts
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Re: Bush Defends Secret Spying in the U.S.
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: December 17, 2005 11:49PM
If there was a Democrat in the White House today doing the,
same things Bush is doing you conservatives would be all over
it like flys on @#$%&. Republican campaign people went after
the must close minded push-overs and won them over big time
with promises of everything they hold holy and suckered them
right in. You see I fell for Clinton's line the first time
around but not the second, I voted my conscience in '96. I
saw that he was a very smart man but also very weak in many
ways. I thought sure the first 4 years of Bush would wake up
some of you people but I was wrong.
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Re: Bush Defends Secret Spying in the U.S.
Posted by: dual citizenship
Date: December 17, 2005 11:53PM
There is TREASON being committed by the left and they need
to go to jail. I am sick of their America hating socialists
elitists attitude. I don't give a rats patoot if someone listens to
my conversations, unless it is the person I am talking about!
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Re: Bush Defends Secret Spying in the U.S.
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: December 18, 2005 10:18AM
and war crimes being commited by the right. What right do we have going around the
world telling others how to live their lives? Especially people that have been fighting for
2000 years and in all likelihood will be fighting for the next 2000 years. W said it was
going to be a Holy War and that it's what it is. Way to go George. Who's next? I love
this country and would die for it but this conflict, not a war, is wrong you know it and I
know it. If a Democrat had started this crap the Republicans would be shouting the
loudest.
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Re: Bush Defends Secret Spying in the U.S.
Posted by: Panopticon
Date: December 18, 2005 12:37PM
oh please
This has been going on for the last 50+ years, under all administrations, regardless of political affiliation. The transition of telecom transmission from hard wire to radio waves has just made it more efficient to accomplish.

It's a DoD, not civilian, agency that performs this activity. Best estimates are at least half of their personnel are stationed outside of US territory. If 'average Joe citizen' actually knew what SigIntOps do daily, this would be a non-story.

I'd be more concerned with the data farming done by retailers & banks, etc. via the plastic cards in my wallet or that 'EZ Pass' on my car!










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Re: Bush Defends Secret Spying in the U.S.
Posted by: RonT
Date: December 18, 2005 02:47PM
Some of you people are simply amazing.

For 200+ years whenever the leadership of this country has claimed: America is under attack, our fathers, relatives, sons and daughters have dutifully gone off and died to protect what America stands for.

And yet our current President has the nerve to call our Constitution "a goddamn piece of paper" and violate the laws he took an oath to uphold with umpunity - all while some of you blow it off as no big deal.

If as, Panopticon, says: this has been going on for 50 years then it's time it was stopped. Because if it isn't, with men like Cheney and Bush in office, it won't be long before the Bill of Rights is nothing but a fond memory.

Following is a quote that has never sounded more true that it does today:

"If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know.

"I don't want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency [NSA] and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return."

—Senator Frank Church, 1975

It's time to wake up and smell the odor.
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Re: Bush Defends Secret Spying in the U.S.
Posted by: Macaficionado
Date: December 18, 2005 04:14PM
The dems will continue to play this losing hand in search of a
"Fitzmas" until it blows up in their faces.
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Re: Bush Defends Secret Spying in the U.S.
Posted by: Spock
Date: December 18, 2005 07:50PM



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Re: Bush Defends Secret Spying in the U.S.
Posted by: Otto Boners
Date: December 19, 2005 08:39AM
How about mandatory jail sentences for anyone who uses information gathered in this manner for a non-terror related prosection?

If average citizen, non-terrorist Joe Blow is indicted for routine tax-evasion because one of his phone calls was intercepted, is he a "terrorist" or is the NSA employee who monitored him a "terrorist"?

How much information is routinely gathered and used in Stalinesque prosecutions? I'd say probably tens of thousands of times each year.

Are there any checks and balances in secret eveidence?
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Re: Bush Defends Secret Spying in the U.S.
Posted by: Kiva
Date: December 20, 2005 01:49AM
yes, this is another symbol of the eroding of our civil liberties, but was really scares me is the idea that american citizens have been detained and never charged or provided representation under the total B.S. which is "enemy combatant." Some references for you (requires realplayer):

[www.thislife.org]

Explanation of how the precedent for "enemy combatant" was formed (will surprise you) - it's about 6 minutes in, but the previous stuff about censorship is interesting too:

[www.thislife.org]

enjoy

kiva



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/20/2005 02:10AM by Kiva.
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