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A topic concerning firearms
Posted by: voodoopenguin
Date: December 05, 2008 03:59AM
I am a believer in very strict gun control but I do understand that for many of you lot over in the USA your 'right to bear arms' is quite a big deal. Not for me to really comment on that as I am not from the USA but this news item did attract my attention. I am also a believer that as much as possible of ordinary life should be available to as many as possible despite disabilities so even though I am against easy gun access in my own country I am happy that a gun for people with physical disabilities is available in the USA however I still cannot get my head around this line.

"The Palm Pistol has been certified as a Class I Medical Device by the US Food and Drug Administration, Constitution Arms said."

It seems very close to being an oxymoron.

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Re: A topic concerning firearms
Posted by: Black Landlord
Date: December 05, 2008 04:35AM
It's true voodoo, my mom has 3 of those, all paid for 100% by Medicare.
Reminds me of a joke the germans like to tell:
"Why do americans eat with one hand?
So they can hold the gun under the table with the other."



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Re: A topic concerning firearms
Posted by: DevoBill
Date: December 05, 2008 06:57AM
[medgadget.com]

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Constitution Arms contacted us with the following information:

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Several weeks ago you were kind enough to blog about the Palm Pistol. We thought you might be interested to learn that the FDA has completed its “Device/Not a Device” determination and concluded the handgun will be listed as a Class I Medical Device, exempt from 510(k) Pre-Market Notification in accordance with 21 CFR 890.5050 “Daily Activity Assist Device.”

We have now submitted an application to the CMS contractor Noridian for a DME (Durable Medical Equipment) Coding Verification in order to be assigned an HCPCS code. Once assigned , physicians will be able to prescribe the Palm Pistol for qualified patients who may seek reimbursement through Medicare or private health insurance companies.

No word on any futile attempts at a CE Mark of approval for the Palm Pistol in the European Union.




I want ambiguity, or possibly something else.
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Re: A topic concerning firearms
Posted by: Spock
Date: December 05, 2008 07:32AM
Of course it's a medical device. Use the device and someone will need medical treatment.


See, wasn't that easy.






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Re: A topic concerning firearms
Posted by: AlphaDog
Date: December 05, 2008 09:12AM
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Black Landlord
It's true voodoo, my mom has 3 of those, all paid for 100% by Medicare.

Why? Not just "why one?" but also "why three?"

For anyone interested in complaining about the waste of Medicare dollars, here's a good place to start.
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Re: A topic concerning firearms
Posted by: karsen
Date: December 05, 2008 09:58AM
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AlphaDog
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Black Landlord
It's true voodoo, my mom has 3 of those, all paid for 100% by Medicare.

Why? Not just "why one?" but also "why three?"

For anyone interested in complaining about the waste of Medicare dollars, here's a good place to start.

I think, perhaps, he was joking.



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Re: A topic concerning firearms
Posted by: AlphaDog
Date: December 05, 2008 10:01AM
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karsen
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AlphaDog
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Black Landlord
It's true voodoo, my mom has 3 of those, all paid for 100% by Medicare.

Why? Not just "why one?" but also "why three?"

For anyone interested in complaining about the waste of Medicare dollars, here's a good place to start.

I think, perhaps, he was joking.

I'd like to think so, but ya just never know! I did consider that, since I thought they said the company was currently taking orders, but I didn't notice how old the article was. That BL sure is a trouble maker. smiling smiley
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Re: A topic concerning firearms
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: December 05, 2008 11:15AM
OK, that is just weird and kind of silly. The whole idea of a defensive firearm is that you take care of business BEFORE your attacker can touch you. A contact weapon like that.. well, it's just as easy to use a Taser or stun iPod.

Personally, I prefer to take care of attackers out at about 300 meters. That way you don't even have all that goopy stuff on your own yard.

(Yes, I AM being sarcastic)
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Re: A topic concerning firearms
Posted by: kj
Date: December 05, 2008 11:23AM
I think most everyone here would find that pretty odd. Elderly people are quite vulnerable, but still... I would say it is a phenomenon related to the hyperlegalism/commercialism deal we have going on (and have for a while). kj.
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Re: A topic concerning firearms
Posted by: SDGuy
Date: December 05, 2008 11:59AM
I hope this is a joke. While I support the right for people to be able to defend themselves, it should NOT be subsidized by the rest of us. How could a firearm possibly be considered a necessary medical devise?
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Re: A topic concerning firearms
Posted by: MacGurl
Date: December 05, 2008 12:26PM
I see it as odd also. Things like this that Medicare will cover, but yet people still go wanting in this country for basic services? Sigh....


Kathy



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Re: A topic concerning firearms
Posted by: billb
Date: December 05, 2008 02:00PM
1. Where's the trigger lock ?

2. 9mm is 9mm. I don't care if it is slung by a rubber band, the shot should be classified as a weapon and handled as such.



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used cars in Florida will now come with extra drain holes


looks like a product only a lawyer could love



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Re: A topic concerning firearms
Posted by: Black Landlord
Date: December 05, 2008 04:56PM
Yes, kidding.
Medicare will ========n e v e r ====== cover this.
Medicare doesn't cover squat. For the most part HMOs key off medicare to decide what to cover as well. Much ado about something that never was.



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Re: A topic concerning firearms
Posted by: JoeH
Date: December 05, 2008 05:04PM
I have a family member who works at the FDA doing reviews of drug applications for the chemistry involved. There have been some rules "loosening" over the last 7 years, the head counsels for the FDA appointed by the Bush administration to interpret laws and regulations applying to the FDA saw to that. From what I have been hearing, I am not surprised it got approval.



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Re: A topic concerning firearms
Posted by: DevoBill
Date: December 05, 2008 05:15PM
I see this as a way around any gun ban. It's nearly the same as medical marijuana. Also this fits "we will guarantee you will pay nothing for this scooter is you insurance and Medicare refuse to pay for your hover round."




I want ambiguity, or possibly something else.
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Re: A topic concerning firearms
Posted by: Black Landlord
Date: December 05, 2008 10:16PM
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JoeH
I have a family member who works at the FDA doing reviews of drug applications for the chemistry involved. There have been some rules "loosening" over the last 7 years, the head counsels for the FDA appointed by the Bush administration to interpret laws and regulations applying to the FDA saw to that. From what I have been hearing, I am not surprised it got approval.

IT DID NOT GET MEDICARE APPROVAL. RTFA. (if you're not referring to medicare approval-- never mind.)



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Re: A topic concerning firearms
Posted by: Mac-A-Matic
Date: December 10, 2008 11:46PM
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SDGuy
I hope this is a joke. While I support the right for people to be able to defend themselves, it should NOT be subsidized by the rest of us. How could a firearm possibly be considered a necessary medical devise?

If you support the bailout (and I don't know if you do), then how can anyone protest subsidizing a medical device?
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