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Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: November 29, 2009 09:59PM
Since Mike "Willie Horton" Huckabee and Sarah "The Quitter" Palin look unlikely, will Romney be allowed the nomination, given that he might not go over well with the Catholics and Baptists, which the Republicans must count on.
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: Dakota
Date: November 29, 2009 11:39PM
Romney was my pick the last time around and he still is. He is a gentleman, a businessman, a family man and spouses all the core Republican beliefs in a measured tone. A figure of authority on what makes a business successful and hire more is so much lacking in the current leadership. All we have now are some repressed lefties that see for themselves a once in a life time chance to rewire the economy before they lose it.



After you discover you're riding a dead horse, your best strategy is to dismount.
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: JoeH
Date: November 30, 2009 12:14AM
Boy, has he got you fooled. He is slick, I will give him that. But, his forte at business was making money by taking companies apart. He still has not answered questions raised in his campaign for Senate about taking credits for locating businesses here in Mass. that included targets for job creation. Seems they never completed that requirement, and even shipped jobs out of state in the process. He will tell groups what they want to hear to get their votes, and flip to doing something different afterwards. If you like him that much, get him to come to your state, he has done enough damage here.
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: RgrF
Date: November 30, 2009 12:15AM
Romney is an ideal candidate for someone like Dakota. He's a charlatan who lived in Massachusetts moved to Utah then moved back to Mass to run for governor.

To get elected he moderated his politics and used his venture capital money to buy his way into the governorship. After one term when it became apparent he couldn't get elected again in Mass, he again altered his political positions to mollify the far right of his party in hopes of keeping his political career alive.

He's the heir apparent and believes in magic underpants.

Good choice Dakota.
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: November 30, 2009 01:18AM
Remember his borderline-insane right-wing pander speech at the convention?
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: $tevie
Date: November 30, 2009 01:19AM
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Dakota
He...spouses all the core Republican beliefs

I knew Mormons can have multiple wives, but I was not aware that they can marry intangibles such as beliefs.



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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: November 30, 2009 03:11AM
On he surface, Romney seemed like a decent Republican candidate in the 2008 race. Moderate on social issues, which seems rare these days.

Of course, he went all fundie to pander to the evangelical base and blew any chance he had to become prez.
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: Gutenberg
Date: November 30, 2009 07:18AM
George W Bush ran as a moderate too. Remember "compassionate conservatism?" What we found out is there is no such thing.

Romney is the same emperor, new clothes.
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: November 30, 2009 07:29AM
Most of us REAL Republicans are not the slavering far right wing fools you kids keep making us out to be. Most of us believe that being a conservative means just that.. you conserve.

And most of us are aghast at what has happened to our party in the last 20 or so years.
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: billb
Date: November 30, 2009 08:11AM
... and yet Romney was elected (in Ma.)
by liberals.
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: Dakota
Date: November 30, 2009 08:37AM
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JoeH
Boy, has he got you fooled.

I admit, I haven't known him long enough. May be he too is a fake. But what do we know about others? Every presidential cycle you get new people you've never heard of before. Hmm, someone in particular comes to mind.



After you discover you're riding a dead horse, your best strategy is to dismount.
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: November 30, 2009 08:41AM
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cbelt3
Most of us believe that being a conservative means just that.. you conserve.


Is that why conservatives/republicans embrace the idea of conserving energy/resources regardless of the reality/fantasy of climate change?
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: Gutenberg
Date: November 30, 2009 09:15AM
Politics after World War II was a rather gentlemanly craft. It devolved into name-calling and dirty tricks right around 1968 with the Chicago Democratic Convention, and we thought it reached its nadir during Watergate, but boy were we wrong. The problem exists on both sides of the aisle, as the extremes attempt to consume the center.

I hate to admit it but Richard Nixon was right--there really is a silent majority and it's what wins elections.
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: $tevie
Date: November 30, 2009 09:23AM
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cbelt3
Most of us REAL Republicans are not the slavering far right wing fools you kids keep making us out to be. Most of us believe that being a conservative means just that.. you conserve.

And most of us are aghast at what has happened to our party in the last 20 or so years.

cbelt, I believe most of us understand this perfectly. The problem is that GOP candidates obviously believe that in order to become nominated they must pander to the "slavering far right wing fools" and the Evangelicals. Even when this pandering results in an ass-kicking (à la McCain and Palin) it doesn't seem to change this concept. Instead, one of the engineers of the train wreck gets touted as a viable candidate for the Presidency. And this is why a lot of people have begun think that the PARTY (as opposed to individuals) can't find the tracks, let alone get back on them.



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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: JoeH
Date: November 30, 2009 11:31AM
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billb
... and yet Romney was elected (in Ma.)
by liberals.

Once, in a state that also has a significant reactionary, non-liberal element in the electorate. Also against a candidate put up by a fractured state Democratic Party. He left office after one term, it was obvious a year before that election he was very unlikely to get elected to a second one. And who said liberals voted for him the first time? He won by getting the GOP vote and enough of the independents in the middle.
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: billb
Date: November 30, 2009 11:57AM
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JoeH
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billb
... and yet Romney was elected (in Ma.)
by liberals.

Once, in a state that also has a significant reactionary, non-liberal element in the electorate. Also against a candidate put up by a fractured state Democratic Party. He left office after one term, it was obvious a year before that election he was very unlikely to get elected to a second one. And who said liberals voted for him the first time? He won by getting the GOP vote and enough of the independents in the middle.

Maybe run the numbers on non-party libs, here in Ma.
Didn't beat Shannon by much, who is now selling girl scout cookies.
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: $tevie
Date: November 30, 2009 12:38PM
My memory is that Romney got elected as a somewhat-left-leaning moderate but failed to deliver as such.



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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: JoeH
Date: November 30, 2009 12:52PM
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$tevie
My memory is that Romney got elected as a somewhat-left-leaning moderate but failed to deliver as such.

More as a moderate-leaning Republican, never even approached "left-leaning". As an "outsider", he could push the "not part of the party machine" button for some people, and portray the Democratic candidate as such. Even then it was fairly close, 50% to 45%. In any case, he did not deliver on much of the moderate ideas he used in his campaign, his approval rating was below 50% for the last year and a half of his governorship. He left office at just over 30% approval ratings. Compared to prior moderate Republicans in the state, he "talked the talk", but did not "walk the walk".



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/30/2009 12:54PM by JoeH.
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: Dakota
Date: November 30, 2009 12:53PM
Republicans are often elected in predominantly Democratic strongholds to straighten out the financial and law and order mess their Democrat predecessors left behind. Guilliani and a bunch of others come to mind.



After you discover you're riding a dead horse, your best strategy is to dismount.
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: Gutenberg
Date: November 30, 2009 01:15PM
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billb
... and yet Romney was elected (in Ma.)
by liberals.

Massachusetts also elected Edward Brooke and Henry Cabot Lodge to the Senate. I think there would have been more moderate Republicans to come along but Teddy held his seat for a while.
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: lafinfil
Date: November 30, 2009 02:19PM
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Dakota
Republicans are often elected in predominantly Democratic strongholds to straighten out the financial and law and order mess their Democrat predecessors left behind. Guilliani and a bunch of others come to mind.

Bernard Kerik comes to mind as well.



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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: Gutenberg
Date: November 30, 2009 03:51PM
Snap, 'fil!
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: JoeH
Date: November 30, 2009 04:33PM
Not here, Romney was just the 4th Republican governor in a row. He just continued the mess that Weld, Celluci and Swift had created over the prior 12 years. Finally enough of the electorate wised up and realised the promised better conditions were not coming from the GOP.
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: RgrF
Date: November 30, 2009 06:43PM
Romney did for the Massachusetts Republican Party what Bush did for the national Republican Party.
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Re: Will the "real" Republicans allow Romney to get the nomination in 2012?
Posted by: kanesa
Date: December 01, 2009 08:27AM
Romney flip-flops on so many issues which include abortion, gay rights, stem cell research, campaign finance laws, immigration and gun control. He panders to whatever group he is trying to court for votes.

His biggest hurdle is he is a Mormon. I don't care what religion a candidate practices, but there are people who think Mormonism is close to being a cult.
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