Here's the video where Obam claims that "his committee" recently passed legislation calling for divestment from Iran to prevent nuclear buildup.

[www.youtube.com]

PROBLEM: Barack Obama is not even ON the committee. Here's the link to Senators who ARE on the committee

[banking.senate.gov]

Obama gets away with this kind of stuff because he's so damn arrogant and thinks we are stupid or lazy to fact check. The MSM probably won't point this out to you, but I'll take the time. If you are an Obama supporter, you're drinking the koolaid.

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Oh please, McCain stuck his foot in his mouth so many times in the last two weeks that he should just quit now.
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"MULTI-GRAIN"

What he meant to say was that it was his provisions, not his committee. Here's the press release from July 17, 6 days prior to the "gaffe". A bad slip of the tongue, but not the end of the world.

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Senate Banking Committee Passes Obama Provisions on Divestment in Iran Sanctions Bill
Thursday, July 17, 2008

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: Michael Ortiz, 202 228 5566

WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senator Barack Obama today applauded the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee's passage of the Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability and Divestment Act of 2008, which includes provisions Obama offered last year in the Iran Sanctions Enabling Act of 2007 (S. 1430). The Obama provisions clarify that state and local governments can divest from companies that invest $20 million or more in Iran's energy sector and provide safe harbor for private fund managers who divest from such companies. The Committee approved the measure by a vote of 19 to 2.

"Preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons is a vital national security priority. In addition to an aggressive, direct, and principled diplomatic effort, we must continue to increase economic pressure on Iran to convince its government to halt its nuclear program, support for terrorist activity, and threats toward Israel.

"This important bipartisan legislation will allow state and local governments and private fund managers to divest from companies that support Iran's energy sector, reducing the revenue Iran uses to expand its nuclear program and sponsor terrorist groups like Hezbollah and Hamas.

"I commend Chairman Dodd for his leadership on this important issue, and I call on the Senate to quickly pass this legislation."

I'm not sure saying it was his committee instead of his provisions is quite the same thing as confusing Shiites with Sunnis or confusing Iraq with Afghanistan, both of which McCain has done.

Oh, and since it is all over the media, I hope this will stop the chronic complaining that the press gives Obama all the breaks.

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Czechoslovakia? Shouldn't a potential President know this?

>>"Oh, and since it is all over the media, I hope this will stop the chronic complaining that the press gives Obama all the breaks."

Well, the press IS in the tank for Obama and the polls show that the American people are well aware of that _fact_. Read the Zogby poll here

[www.zogby.com]

>> "I'm not sure saying it was his committee instead of his provisions is quite the same thing as confusing Shiites with Sunnis or confusing Iraq with Afghanistan, both of which McCain has done."

I can forgive an old man his confusion because I know the difference between Shites and Sunnis and Iraq and Afghanistan. And I believe McCain does too. I just can't believe anything that comes out of Obama's mouth, because I don't think he's very smart (57 States?) to start with, but more important, his constant stretching of the facts has gotten so blatant and he doesn't seem to know what his positions are. He'll say one thing today, retract it, modify it, then go back to his original statement. If you're gonna flip flop, then fine, tell me what changed your mind, but you can't hold _two_ views at the same time and have any credibility on the important issues depending on the circumstances.

The topic of this discussion is not a mere "gaff" or mispeak, but an intention to deceive and mislead. If Obama is not on the committee, _why_ would he even say he was unless to attempt to make himself appear or seem that he was?

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Innocent old man confusions?:

[www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com]

National Security Policy

1. McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

2. McCain insisted that everyone, even “terrible killers,” “the worst kind of scum of humanity,” and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, “deserve to have some adjudication of their cases,” even if that means “releasing some of them.” McCain now believes the opposite.

3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”

4. In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.

5. McCain was for closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.

6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with predators, McCain criticized him for it. He’s since come to the opposite conclusion.

Foreign Policy

7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it.

8. McCain supported moving “towards normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.

9. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.

10. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.

11. McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision.

12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.

13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it.

Military Policy

14. McCain recently claimed that he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as “a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.” In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”

15. McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions, concluding, on multiple occasions, that a Korea-like presence is both a good and a bad idea.

16. McCain was against additional U.S. forces in Afghanistan before he was for it.

17. McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”

18. McCain has repeatedly said it’s a dangerous mistake to tell the “enemy” when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013.

19. McCain was against expanding the GI Bill before he was for it.

Domestic Policy

20. McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)

21. McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t.

22. McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.

23. He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party’s policy making. Now he believes the opposite.

24. In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.

25. McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.

26. McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.

27. McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.

28. McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.

29. McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

30. McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

31. In 2005, McCain endorsed intelligent design creationism, a year later he said the opposite, and a few months after that, he was both for and against creationism at the same time.

32. McCain opposed gay adoption before his campaign concluded he didn’t really mean it.

33. In the Senate, McCain opposed a variety of measures on equal pay for women, and endorsed the Supreme Court’s Ledbetter decision. In July, however, McCain said, “I’m committed to making sure that there’s equal pay for equal work. That … is my record and you can count on it.”

34. McCain was against fully funding the No Child Left Behind Act before he was for it.

Economic Policy

35. McCain was against Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy before he was for them.

36. John McCain initially argued that economics is not an area of expertise for him, saying, “I’m going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues; I still need to be educated,” and “The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should.” He now falsely denies ever having made these remarks and insists that he has a “very strong” understanding of economics.

37. McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal. And soon after that, McCain abandoned his second position and went back to his first.

38. McCain said in 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and falsely argued that he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.

39. McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.

40. McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”

41. McCain has changed his entire economic worldview on multiple occasions.

42. McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off economically than they were before Bush took office.

Energy Policy

43. McCain supported the moratorium on coastal drilling ; now he’s against it.

44. McCain recently announced his strong opposition to a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.

45. McCain endorsed a cap-and-trade policy with a mandatory emissions cap. In mid-June, McCain announced he wants the caps to voluntary.

46. McCain explained his belief that a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax would provide an immediate economic stimulus. Shortly thereafter, he argued the exact opposite.

47. McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t.

48. McCain was for national auto emissions standards before he was against them.

Immigration Policy

49. McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. Now he’s against it.

50. On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own bill.

51. In April, McCain promised voters that he would secure the borders “before proceeding to other reform measures.” Two months later, he abandoned his public pledge, pretended that he’d never made the promise in the first place, and vowed that a comprehensive immigration reform policy has always been, and would always be, his “top priority.”

Judicial Policy and the Rule of Law

52. McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite.

53. McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.

54. McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.

Campaign, Ethics, and Lobbying Reform

55. McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t.

56. In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.

57. McCain supported a campaign-finance bill, which bore his name, on strengthening the public-financing system. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.

Politics and Associations

58. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist John Hagee. Now he doesn’t. (He also believes his endorsement from Hagee was both a good and bad idea.)

59. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t.

60. McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.

61. McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.

62. McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks.

63. In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

64. McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

65. McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.

66. McCain believed powerful right-wing activist/lobbyist Grover Norquist was “corrupt, a shill for dictators, and (with just a dose of sarcasm) Jack Abramoff’s gay lover.” McCain now considers Norquist a key political ally.

Only 66... I think Obama's "gaffs" number 166. But if one world is what you want and you are ready to abdicate your liberty to the United Nations, march on for Obama.

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More than 166? Go for it - list them or find a list. And notice that none of the items on the list I provided is a "gaffe" or "slip of the lip" - everybody does those and they aren't particularly noteworthy (except a large cumulative number of gaffes may mean something - but I don't assume right away that any one particular slip of the lip is significant whether it is McCain or Obama that makes it).

It is entertaining to say that a presidential candidate you don't care for will do such and such and so and so even if there is no substantial evidence for the claim. Here's one: If McCain is elected president he will lead the nation to a "Preventive War" against Iran by fabricating evidence of an "immanent attack" on the U.S. by Iran and the war will last at least 7 years (what the heck, make it 100 years) and cost $1 trillion even though we will be told that it will be an easy victory and won't cost the U.S. anything because the war will be paid for by oil given to us by grateful Iranians.

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swampy
But if one world is what you want and you are ready to abdicate your liberty to the United Nations, march on for Obama.

>>fabricating evidence of an "immanent attack"

You must be talking some "Bush lied" sutff. If Bush lied, so did Kerry, Kennedy, Polosi, Edwards, blah, blah, blah. These are some of your heros aren't they. Aren't they liars too? But that doesn't explain the tons of yellow cake uranium they just hauled out of there last month.. Wasn't there. And no Kurds died from Chemicals, but you probably don't consider deadly gas a weapon of mass destruction.

Kumbaya...

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I think we are going to have a coronation not an election. I think his "travels" are tacky as he his has not been elected yet.

He is a US senator. Many US senators have traveled overseas in official capacities.

Do you think McCain's trips to Iraq, etc. were "tacky".

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swampy
Only 66... I think Obama's "gaffs" number 166. But if one world is what you want and you are ready to abdicate your liberty to the United Nations, march on for Obama.

Okay, now I know exactly where you are coming from.

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I think we are going to have a coronation not an election. I think his "travels" are tacky as he his has not been elected yet.

Well, one could make the case that all this traveling was McCain's idea.

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McCain: Obama should go to Iraq

John McCain says Barack Obama should go to Iraq.

The Democratic senator from Illinois, his party's likely presidential nominee, hasn't been there since 2006, McCain said in an interview with the Associated Press in New Mexico on Sunday, and that's too long.

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McCain says Obama should visit South America

PHOENIX, July 14 (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate John McCain, who has hectored Democratic rival Barack Obama to visit Iraq, now says Obama should go to South America as well.

[www.immigrationwatchdog.com]


Or perhaps McCain is auditioning for a job as Obama's travel agent. Either that or he just can't help trying to get Obama shot.

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McCain says Obama trip to Iraq may be soon

DETROIT (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate John McCain commented on Friday on the unannounced timing of a high-security trip by Barack Obama to Iraq, saying he believed his Democratic rival was going this weekend.

"I believe that either today or tomorrow -- and I'm not privy to his schedule -- Sen. Obama will be landing in Iraq with some other senators" who make up a congressional delegation, McCain said at a Republican fund-raiser.

[www.reuters.com]

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I don't see the 57 thing as a big deal, really. Fifty-seven, forty-seven...what's a little brain fart?

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>>fabricating evidence of an "immanent attack"

You must be talking some "Bush lied" sutff. If Bush lied, so did Kerry, Kennedy, Polosi, Edwards, blah, blah, blah. These are some of your heros aren't they. Aren't they liars too? But that doesn't explain the tons of yellow cake uranium they just hauled out of there last month.. Wasn't there. And no Kurds died from Chemicals, but you probably don't consider deadly gas a weapon of mass destruction.

Kumbaya...

Swampy, I think you missed the point. How's the list coming along? And do you mean this yellow cake:

[www.msnbc.msn.com]

"Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said."

The yellow cake thingee Bush brought up is important because the "weapons of mass destruction" that really scared Americans was the prospect of Iraq having nuclear weapons. Bush's daddy knew Saddam had chemical weapons when he and his good buddy, Rumsfeld, buttered up to Saddam during the Iraq-Iran war, so I don't think those represented as much of a threat as many seem to think (if they did, why would Bush Sr. and Rumsfeld and Cheney cozy up to Saddam?).

Greg the dogsitter - Re: number 57: In 2000 McCain called Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson “agents of intolerance”. Hagee is even more extreme than either of those two. In this election McCain must have known, or at least should have known, that Hagee has a long history of saying things like this about Jews (long before McCain SOUGHT Hagee's endorsement), "How utterly repulsive, insulting, and heartbreaking to God for his chosen people to credit idols with bringing blessings he had showered upon the chosen people. Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come." He is also widely known as being virulently anti-catholic. It wasn't until after Hagee said that God sent Hitler to force the Jews back to Israel that McCain rejected the endorsement from Hagee that he had sought. The reason I would consider this far from a brain fart is because what he did was obviously a deliberate strategy to gain more acceptance in the Evangelical community. He didn't just happen to walk into Hagee one day and then brain fart, "Hey dude, how's about you endorse me." One of the main things people like to attribute to McCain is that he is a "straight shooter" with the courage of his convictions. I believe that used to be more true of him than it is now. He seems to have slipped into a mode of saying just about anything and doing just about anything to win the election. Sure, you can say that about almost all, if not all, other candidates for president but in McCaine's case this is important because a very significant feature of his campaign is that he is a "maverick" that isn't like the rest. Of course, that is not to say that because of this that Obama is somehow superior in the "I'll say and do anything to get elected" department, but it is on the list to show that McCain is not living up to his reputation as a straight shooter with the courage of his convictions.



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OH MY GOD HE'S REVEALED THE TRUTH!

OBAMAS WORDS WERE LIKE GUMDROPS BUT NOW THEY'RE DOG SH!T

GOP 4EVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Oops, I see I read #58 as #57. All that writing for nothing. Sorry about that, Greg. Not sure I understand why you think #57 is a brain fart, though.

Regarding McCain's foreign speeches:

[www.geocities.com]

Or are you going to claim the Canada is the same as the US?

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[...] a very significant feature of his campaign is that he is a "maverick" that isn't like the rest.

Maverick didn't get shot down.

Canada, aren't those our northern colonies? It may be an unsubstantiated rumor but some of them are reputed to speak some form of French.



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Regarding McCain's foreign speeches:
[www.geocities.com]

Sorry, wrong URL. I meant this one:

[www.huffingtonpost.com]

voir ci-dessous



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How does one say multi-tasking in French? Trop occupé pour faire l'attention.

Wow everyone's quoting Left Wing and Right Wing smear sites as if it advances the discussion. This is fun!

This was about discussion, since when?

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I need some of these rose colored glasses.

I don't see anything hopefully different from the last 16 years at all.


All the leaders are being wasted at some apple macintosh website.

Shakeman, is that YOU?

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Maverick didn't get shot down.

I meant to comment on this but forgot. I got a chuckle out - I imagine you didn't intend it to be a serious criticism of McCain - but in a serious vein I think the implication is too harsh. McCain shouldn't be judged negatively for being shot down over Vietnam. Now, the couple of times he crashed his plane prior to that is probably a bit more fair game (and that he was almost last in his class at Annapolis):

[allthingsaviation.typepad.com]

1. The first accident occurred in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi bay practicing takeoffs and landings;
2. The second accident occurred while deployed to the Mediterranean while flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula. He took out some power lines [reminiscent of the 1998 incident in which a Marine Corps jet sliced through the cables of a gondola at an Italian ski resort, killing 20] which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of a U.S. admiral.



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No, that was just a joke. I have no criticisms of McCain's military service.

However, if McCain were to have the Rovian dogs set on him (like in 2000), we would have the "Skyhawk Pilots for Truth 529 organization", which would criticize him and claim him "Unfit for Command" since he seemed to be prone to crashing his plane. I mean Bush (43) never crashed his plane (did he?).

I've already read some of the crap about how he "wasn't really a fighter pilot, but a bomber pilot."

Who cares?