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Two imams were headed to a conference about Islamophobia
#11
...and another good article on the topic.

2 Muslim clergy told to exit Charlotte-bound plane
Imams who were headed to Charlotte for a meeting on 'Islamophobia' say they were taken off a commercial flight after the pilot refused to fly with them.
By Franco OrdoƱez
fordonez@charlotteobserver.com
Posted: Saturday, May. 07, 2011

Two Muslim religious leaders on their way to a Charlotte conference on "Islamophobia" said they were removed from a commercial flight Friday because the pilot refused to fly with them on board.

Imams Masudur Rahman, an adjunct professor of Arabic at the University of Memphis, and Mohamed Zaghloul said they and their bags were checked twice by security agents at the Memphis airport before boarding the 8:40 a.m. Delta Connection Flight 5452 to Charlotte.

Rahman said the plane left the gate and was taxiing to the runway when the pilot came over the intercom.

"The pilot said: 'There is an issue. We need to return to the gate,'" Rahman said.

A Transportation Security Administration spokesman confirmed the incident Friday and said it was not that agency's decision to deny boarding.

"They were screened and cleared to fly," said TSA spokesman Jon Allen in Atlanta. "The decision to deny boarding was made by the airline, not TSA."

A Delta Air Lines spokeswoman said the flight was operated by Atlantic Southeast Airlines, based in Atlanta.

Jarek Beem, spokesman for Atlantic Southeast Airlines, the Delta Connection carrier that was operating the flight, told The Commercial Appeal newspaper in Memphis that the incident was under investigation.

He said the airline regretted any inconvenience to passengers, and that the airline takes passenger security very seriously. He would not comment on specifics of the case.

The imams were flying to Charlotte to attend the North American Imams Federation 2011 Conference this weekend. Organizers said more than 150 religious leaders from across the country will meet through Sunday to discuss prejudice and fear of Islam or Muslims.

"The conference is about 'Islamophobia,' so it's ironic that these guys were stopped on their way here because of this same issue," said Jibril Hough of the Islamic Center of Charlotte. "These guys definitely have something to talk about."

After catching another flight and arriving at Charlotte/Douglas International Airport Friday night, Rahman recounted the incident to reporters.

Dressed in traditional Muslim clothing, Rahman said a Delta official apologized to them after they were removed from the plane Friday morning. He said the official told them that the pilot said some passengers were concerned about them on the flight.

Their attorney, Mo Idlibi, said there was no reason not to allow his clients to fly on the plane after several different security checks.

"I'd really like to know what the pilot based it on."

Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said the men called the council after the incident. Hooper said his group would review the incident to see if further action is warranted.

Calling it a "Juan Williams thing," a reference to the fired PBS correspondent who said he was leery of flying with people in Muslim garb, Hooper added, "I think it's possible the whole bin Laden situation factored into this with heightened sensitivity all around."

Rahman said the experience reminded him of Rosa Parks and her famous 1955 stand against riding in the back of an Alabama bus because she was black.

"That racism, I felt today in the plane," he said. "And that should not happen to anyone."

Staff writer Meghan Cooke and The (Memphis) Commercial Appeal contributed.
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#12
I want to hear from the pilot too. The fact that people are not the least bit bit interested in what he has to say before pronouncing him, the airline and the owner guilty betray their politics. Graces is practicing the worst form of stereotyping without knowing the least about the facts. Why are you throwing in Mormons in the mix anyway?
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#13
Captains are the commander of the Vessels and Aircraft they command. No runs no drips no errors. *(:>*
They can make unpopular decisions.

The following 2 links may be helpful in understanding some of this. The 2nd piece is laden with adds.

American Islamists like all Islamists should be subject to the same scrutiny as "everyone" else... and maybe just a little more as they are clearly part of the faction that is hell bent on needlessly killing American people to prove the points of their fanaticism and terrorism .... sad to say.

When the Judgement is skewed the other way because of neglect of prudence and caution the outcries
will be of great volume and at a greater decibel....

Rudie *(:>*

http://www.elliott.org/blog/pilot-who-po...y-the-tsa/

http://books.google.com/books?id=CscDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA112&lpg=PA112&dq=Federal+Agents+Sneak+Knives+and+explosives+on+board+Aircraft+past+TSA&source=bl&ots=g0VgJ5DJIw&sig=paX7ADMxq_cM3COwTl7xDO9-7nI&hl=en&ei=y7rGTaCuIYPGvQPp-dmhAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
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#14
Wow Rudie, so your support for the fair treatment of people who aren't white Europeans does not extend to Muslims?
I'm really surprised by your comments here.

Nobody is questioning the role of an airline pilot, that is not the issue here. The issue is whether the decision to remove these two American Muslims from a commercial flight, for which they'd been cleared by TSA, was based on ethnic/religious bigotry. If so, this airline is in trouble, and so is that pilot. Those are not valid reasons to remove a person from a commercial flight.
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#15
The airline has already apologized for the pilot's behavior. They know what happened, and they are not defending it in any way.
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#16
I would encourage patience Grace not a rush to conclusions. Your characterizations are a little like a soap opera.. designed for drama *(:>* Mentioned politely with humor *(:>*

Rudie
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#17
Neither polite, nor funny.

have a good day
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#18
haikuman wrote:
I would encourage patience Grace not a rush to conclusions. Your characterizations are a little like a soap opera.. designed for drama *(:>* Mentioned politely with humor *(:>*

Rudie

Worth repeating: The airline has already apologized for the pilot's behavior. They know what happened, and they are not defending it in any way.
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#19
I would again politely suggest you are letting naivety cloud your thinking. Any "semi professional attorney"
is going to suggest this course of action for the Airlines *(:>*

Be well Grace

Rudie
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#20
These regional airlines are generally not staffed or trained like you'd expect in a major carrier. In fact they are the airline industry way to get around union agreements and federal transportation regulations.

They are not only a dodge used by the industry, they are unsafe for travel unless you think the second officer should be paid less than the assistant manager at the local Burger King and the pilot less than alocal Teamster. How'd you like to fly in the aircraft maintained by the lowest wage employees they can legitimately hire?
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