Yeah he's a liar, but we're giving him an honorary degree ANYWAY.

[Black]

Now that you mention it-- I don't think this guy really looked like this.
I also think the background may be inappropriately dramatized, or possibly even taken from some other setting and placed behind the subject without any disclosure whatsoever.

[graylocks]

cbelt3 wrote:
So Art students are encouraged to lie ? Wow..

as a theatre major i have no problem with that on its own. art is illusion. illusion is a lie. however, if you claim it is truth - as Daisey originally did - then it is not art or truth; it's bullsh*t.

[Grace62]

"Mike is an artist, not a journalist. Nevertheless, we wish he had been more precise with us and our audiences about what was and wasn't his personal experience in the piece."

The Public Theater, New York City, treading gently on a person who has made them a lot of money over the past few months.

http://www.publictheater.org/images/Adam...tement.pdf

His show closes in NYC this weekend, it has been canceled in Chicago, it'll be interesting to see if he sells tickets for this going forward.

[$tevie]

I'm a little uncomfortable with turning Daisey into a pariah. Although he used incredibly bad judgment and yes deception in dealing with TAL, and it now appears his monologues have always leaned toward BS stories, I feel like the baby is being thrown out with the bath water. I would prefer that he would start his monologues with a very clear disclaimer that they are a fracturing of the truth to make a point. The kind of disclaimer that the old Dragnet used to use, so to speak, only instead of changing facts to protect the innocent he could say he has changed the facts to advance his story. I am not real happy with the idea of an intellectual lynch mob over this. It's not like he was the anchor man of a news program or something, he is a performer.

[hal]

$tevie wrote:
I'm a little uncomfortable with turning Daisey into a pariah. Although he used incredibly bad judgment and yes deception in dealing with TAL, and it now appears his monologues have always leaned toward BS stories, I feel like the baby is being thrown out with the bath water. I would prefer that he would start his monologues with a very clear disclaimer that they are a fracturing of the truth to make a point. The kind of disclaimer that the old Dragnet used to use, so to speak, only instead of changing facts to protect the innocent he could say he has changed the facts to advance his story. I am not real happy with the idea of an intellectual lynch mob over this. It's not like he was the anchor man of a news program or something, he is a performer.

good points - I loved Spaulding Grey's monologues (Swimming to Cambodia and another about buying a cabin in the mountains that was an absolute disaster). I always assumed that they were a mixture of truth and fiction and good story telling...

[$tevie]

PS: I give Cornish College of the Arts an "F" for spin. There was a lot of great language that could have been used to claim that the TAL incident has engaged the public in a dialogue about when art and truth collide, and is it ever okay to lie when attempting to change the way the public views something, and is it art if it isn't honest, and blah blah blah. What they said in their own defense was lame and doomed to unimpress.

[graylocks]

$tevie wrote:
It's not like he was the anchor man of a news program or something, he is a performer.

i think that's the crux of the issue, though. he portrayed his stories as journalism. if he had Dragneted them there wouldn't be this sense of sham. and it's not even that what he said may or may not have been true. he put the events across as what he had seen with his own eyes. his shows were successful partially because it was supposedly straight from the horse's mouth. turns out they it was coming from the other end of the horse.

[$tevie]

hal wrote:
[quote=$tevie]
I'm a little uncomfortable with turning Daisey into a pariah. Although he used incredibly bad judgment and yes deception in dealing with TAL, and it now appears his monologues have always leaned toward BS stories, I feel like the baby is being thrown out with the bath water. I would prefer that he would start his monologues with a very clear disclaimer that they are a fracturing of the truth to make a point. The kind of disclaimer that the old Dragnet used to use, so to speak, only instead of changing facts to protect the innocent he could say he has changed the facts to advance his story. I am not real happy with the idea of an intellectual lynch mob over this. It's not like he was the anchor man of a news program or something, he is a performer.

good points - I loved Spaulding Grey's monologues (Swimming to Cambodia and another about buying a cabin in the mountains that was an absolute disaster). I always assumed that they were a mixture of truth and fiction and good story telling... Exactly! I was thinking about Spaulding Grey, as a matter of fact!

[beagledave]

I don't have much of a problem making Daisey a pariah.

It's not just that he stretched the truth in telling the story, or went over the top with dramatic license.

If you actually listen to the TAL episode, there is something pathological in the way that Daisey responds to Ira Glass and the other folks involved with the piece, when they point out his lies and half truths. Time and time again, Daisey has the opportunity to come clean and fess up. It's when he doesn't really fess up that he loses any sliver of respect from me.

Again, listen to the podcast (not just read the transcript) to see what kind of a man Daisey is.

[$tevie]

I plan to listen to the program and maybe it will sway me. I'm just wary that we are all more pissed at him for f*cking with Ira Glass than for any more serious reasons.