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Sadness. Third grader shoots fellow third grader at school.
#21
cbelt3 wrote:
Not blaming the teachers. Blaming the politicians that won't let the teachers keep order with any kind of durable control.

Knives won't hurt that bad ? Yah.. tell that to one of my college roomate's girlfriends, who was partially paralyzed after an attempted rapist slashed her jugular with a knife. Well.. .at least he didn't use a gun ! That would have been BAD !

Good grief.

Get off the guns are the problem horse. It's not a horse, it's a lame mule. The problem is VIOLENCE.

We are talking about third grade here. There is no reason to think this teacher didn't have "control" over this class. This crime happened suddenly and without warning. That's where the gun comes in, you get no warning, and no chance to intervene.

What else could a nine year old do in a supervised classroom to cause that much injury? Set off a bomb? Hand grenade? Let's stay on topic. You're going way, way, off course here. A knife attack could be interrupted very quickly by the teacher and other students.
This specific crime happened because of a gun. Period.
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#22
>>A knife attack could be interrupted very quickly by the teacher and other students.

Not necessarily.
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#23
but its clear that this thread isn't going anywhere. pretty much anyone who has spoken has their mind made up. there's hardly any point in talking when thats the case
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#24
mattkime wrote:
>>A knife attack could be interrupted very quickly by the teacher and other students.

Not necessarily.

That's what the verb "could be interrupted" means. It means sometimes yes, sometimes no.



BTW, I think this conversation is interesting. Otherwise I and I'm sure others wouldn't be here. Your comment about the thread is kind of odd.
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#25
then for that matter, a gun attack could be interrupted too.
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#26
Grace, we have a close friend who recently quit after teaching in Cleveland city schools (in the 'hood) for over 20 years. 2nd through 5th grade. Several years ago she was stabbed by a third grader in her 'under control class', and spent a few days in the hospital.

And guess what ? The little teacher stabbing bastich was put BACK into the same school after a month's suspension. They tried to put him back in her class, and she and her fellow teachers had to threaten a walkout. And no.. it never made the news. It was all hushed up for fear of 'damaging the child'. (well, actually the knucklehead administrator's career..)

I put these personal points in my posts as an explanation for my positions. I tend not to have positions based on fuzzy theory. They're usually based on personal experiences or the personal experiences of those close to me. As a result I tend to hold rather tightly to them.

Matt's got an excellent point.. we can toss this one back and forth all night, but we're not going to agree.

That's OK. I respect your opinion. I just don't agree with it.
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#27
Grace62 wrote:

In the meantime though, we could have much tougher access laws. You shouldn't be able to go online and buy all the powerful weapons you want with no license from some guy in a parking lot.

You can't. How would one do it?
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#28
DCrunch wrote:
[quote=Grace62]

In the meantime though, we could have much tougher access laws. You shouldn't be able to go online and buy all the powerful weapons you want with no license from some guy in a parking lot.

You can't. How would one do it?
OK here's a report on it, but I hope you're not in the market for an online gun!

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/46316454/n...0XAJXmN7To
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#29
Would reducing the number of guns in the U.S. save kids like this? Can you imagine how many lives would be saved if children were required by law to wear helmets when they rode a bicycle? And it could actually be done. Heck, it'd be easier to make kids wear helmets all the time than to reduce the number of guns sufficiently to prevent these types of incidents. If you really want to "save the children", there are better things to put your energy into. Why does a gun incident cause a gun control frenzy, when other incidents that are much more preventable (not to mention far more numerous) are essentially ignored? kj.
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#30
In 2007, 3,042 children and teens died from gunfire in the United States and another 17,523 suffered non-fatal gun injuries.

http://www.childrensdefense.org/child-re...report.pdf

My town already had bike helmet laws, for all ages.
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