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vision63 wrote:
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Twitter thrives on a zingy comeback. That what it is. It's not traditional mud-slinging. It's not even about winning. More like counting coup. Stand nose to nose with the bully in front of the crowd. Hillary never engaged him there. He got all that exposure unmitigated. She may have outmatched him on other grounds such as the debates and policy pieces, but here we are.
By the time the general rolled around, Hillary had already kept her gloves off of Bernie while he called her unqualified, his supporters threw money at her, harassed her supporters and she defeated him by 4 million votes. She'd say one thing "deplorables," one thing and she was savaged. She was ill one day and was savaged. Her voice wore out and was savaged. Not by Trump, but by the media. She ran that whole race with handcuffs on and warned us very specifically why Trump would be the disaster he became and beat him by 3 million votes and was cheated out the election.
The best way to handle a bully is to not engage with him still on his level.
I don't want to sound like lack of Twitter engagement was The One Thing™ that did Hillary in. Just one piece of a puzzle. But the margin was wafer thin in 2016; this time nothing can be left to chance that can be addressed.
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Acer wrote:
Twitter thrives on a zingy comeback. That what it is. It's not traditional mud-slinging. It's not even about winning. More like counting coup. Stand nose to nose with the bully in front of the crowd. Hillary never engaged him there. He got all that exposure unmitigated. She may have outmatched him on other grounds such as the debates and policy pieces, but here we are.
just as i think, too. my response when the occupant won, was to say: don't bring a knife to a gun fight. but, you know, the Dems are too "pure," too "above the fray" to engage in a local street fight. we want to go hight when they go low, and all that. which i do believe in some parts of life, but not when it comes to our presidential elections. and that is why Dems will lose this one, too. but, we can feel righteous about doing it, and cry on each other's shoulders for the next four years.
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Filliam H. Muffman wrote:
There were multiple reasons Clinton was savaged. Using corporate dark money to buy the nomination was one. Highest. Unfavorable. Rating. In. Over. A. Generation. There were national polls of Democratic Caucus voters where her Favorable/Unfavorable rating was under water. She was the only candidate that could have lost to Cheeto.
What dark money would that be? I'm sure there will be: :crickets:
You can't just go by how you "feel" or what your instinct tells you.
A lack of Twitter engagement? That doesn't make sense. She was a prolific utilizer of Twitter and still is.
None of your imaginings about why this woman was at fault are ever true. Just the sheer lack of evidence proves this.
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mrbigstuff wrote:
[quote=Acer]
Twitter thrives on a zingy comeback. That what it is. It's not traditional mud-slinging. It's not even about winning. More like counting coup. Stand nose to nose with the bully in front of the crowd. Hillary never engaged him there. He got all that exposure unmitigated. She may have outmatched him on other grounds such as the debates and policy pieces, but here we are.
just as i think, too. my response when the occupant won, was to say: don't bring a knife to a gun fight. but, you know, the Dems are too "pure," too "above the fray" to engage in a local street fight. we want to go hight when they go low, and all that. which i do believe in some parts of life, but not when it comes to our presidential elections. and that is why Dems will lose this one, too. but, we can feel righteous about doing it, and cry on each other's shoulders for the next four years.
Last night Mayor Pete made the observation Dems should stop worrying about what Republicans say, because no matter what we’re all “socialists” anyway. Trump ads in Detroit say “they’re all the same” etc.
I rarely hear Dems attack in broad terms the way Republicans do. I feel they’ve been cowed into never criticizing the holy grails of conservatism (religion, military, name anything).
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rjmacs wrote:
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More than two and a half years in, there's no more reason to have "Wow" start this thread.
None of this should be at all surprising anymore. At this point, surprise is evidence of denial.
My wife and I continue to be amazed at members of our community that now publicly support racist comments like ‘send them back.’
I’m amazed that 45 has mined yet another level of hatred and in our backyard.
Yes, call me naive but I am continually surprised that we haven’t hit rock bottom.
If your naïveté is anything like mine, it might be grounded in some pretty limited knowledge of American history.
I've really made it a priority to learn more about how central racism has been to our country's development, and why white people are often largely unaware of how much race matters to folks who are aren't white.
It's been a terrifying journey for someone who has consciously abhorred racism forever to realize how much racism is hidden in everyday life, and how my privilege has made it easy for it to hide in plain sight. To hide inside me, sometimes, without my knowledge or consent. Yick.
We all got the same education since at least high school.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies_My_Teacher_Told_Me
There’s a 2017, Trump-aware edition that I’m halfway through currently. It’s a good start to learning truth. It begins pre-America and displays a pattern of Eurocentrism, racism, and corporate oversight that controls public policy. What you learn isn’t just some “alternative” history, but that the premise of everything we’ve been taught is to a great extent exactly wrong. Backwards.
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deckeda wrote:
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[quote=Acer]
Twitter thrives on a zingy comeback. That what it is. It's not traditional mud-slinging. It's not even about winning. More like counting coup. Stand nose to nose with the bully in front of the crowd. Hillary never engaged him there. He got all that exposure unmitigated. She may have outmatched him on other grounds such as the debates and policy pieces, but here we are.
just as i think, too. my response when the occupant won, was to say: don't bring a knife to a gun fight. but, you know, the Dems are too "pure," too "above the fray" to engage in a local street fight. we want to go hight when they go low, and all that. which i do believe in some parts of life, but not when it comes to our presidential elections. and that is why Dems will lose this one, too. but, we can feel righteous about doing it, and cry on each other's shoulders for the next four years.
Last night Mayor Pete made the observation Dems should stop worrying about what Republicans say, because no matter what we’re all “socialists” anyway. Trump ads in Detroit say “they’re all the same” etc.
I rarely hear Dems attack in broad terms the way Republicans do. I feel they’ve been cowed into never criticizing the holy grails of conservatism (religion, military, name anything).
yup, there is that, too. but, the Dems must run on the hot button issues: economy (always, even if it is doing reasonably well), health care (again, much better than where we were a dozen years ago, but still a long way to go), and immigration (yes, there must be a plan, even if it means we cannot accept everyone coming to the border and the Dems can't be cowed into not saying this).
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vision63 wrote:
...Hillary... She'd say one thing "deplorables," one thing and she was savaged. She was ill one day and was savaged. Her voice wore out and was savaged. Not by Trump, but by the media. She ran that whole race with handcuffs on and warned us very specifically why Trump would be the disaster he became and beat him by 3 million votes and was cheated out the election.
I think the media shoulders a great deal of blame, but it's partly because the whole thing was so much different than any other election.
Trump was such a POS, grabbing kitties, being openly racist, a serial bankrupter and divorcer and lying his ass off the media didn't know what to do. So they mistakenly created false equivalencies in order to "not seem biased" and give equal coverage. The scales were tipped so far that in retrospect it seems completely absurd to make a big deal out Hillary getting the flu, losing her voice or even her emails.
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My wife is half Irish, and her family experienced 'send them back' in their recent memories.
I KNOW we are founded on racism.
But I am an optimist, and I was HOPING we were moving beyond that.
We are not, and I am no longer so sure we are going to get there in my lifetime.
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sekker wrote:
My wife is half Irish, and her family experienced 'send them back' in their recent memories.
How do they feel about Trump?
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mattkime wrote:
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My wife is half Irish, and her family experienced 'send them back' in their recent memories.
How do they feel about Trump?
My wife's father has gone from a Republican to someone that's more liberal than us. He despises 45.
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