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What is an American Car?
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03-16-2011, 03:06 AM
Grateful11 wrote: Why would that matter in the least? Grateful11 wrote: Highly doubtful. Global sourcing isn't a recent phenomenon. Grateful11 wrote: Back then they weren't breaking it down into country of origin percentages. ... Yes, that's been done for years.
03-16-2011, 03:44 AM
from ICON's site:
Are they assembled overseas and imported? No. They are built by tax paying Americans, in California. 95% of our parts content is made in America as well.
03-16-2011, 03:58 AM
deckeda wrote: Why would that matter in the least? I certainly don't want to put words in anyone's mouth but maybe "quality or workmanship"?
03-16-2011, 11:42 AM
(vikm) wrote: Why would that matter in the least? I certainly don't want to put words in anyone's mouth but maybe "quality or workmanship"? A once-popular myth, proven false by years of Accords and other Japanese vehicles being built here to the same standards of quality and workmanship as those from Japan. Another one is people not liking VWs made in Mexico or Brazil---"not true German quality," when the fact is our brown-skinned brothers bolt them together just like they do in the Fatherland. German-made VWs don't have a lock on bad electrical systems ... 'cause it's baked into the formula. Another form of nationalism claimed that U.S. workers couldn't make good cars, which was true when the designs were crap.
03-16-2011, 01:25 PM
davester wrote: There's no such thing. Detroit went metric in the 1970s. Seems to me there were several millions of them.
03-16-2011, 04:03 PM
Lew Zealand wrote: Nah, you've got a fair number of German Bosch electronics kicking around underneath the dash and hood. Interestingly, some of the Volvos that used the LH2.2 FI system were actually using a Chrysler controller. Oh, and if you've got an auto, the AW in AW-70 stands for Aisin-Warner...
03-16-2011, 04:54 PM
deckeda wrote: Why would that matter in the least? I certainly don't want to put words in anyone's mouth but maybe "quality or workmanship"? A once-popular myth, proven false by years of Accords and other Japanese vehicles being built here to the same standards of quality and workmanship as those from Japan. Another one is people not liking VWs made in Mexico or Brazil---"not true German quality," when the fact is our brown-skinned brothers bolt them together just like they do in the Fatherland. German-made VWs don't have a lock on bad electrical systems ... 'cause it's baked into the formula. Another form of nationalism claimed that U.S. workers couldn't make good cars, which was true when the designs were crap. Sorry, but VWs made in Mexico are worse than those made in Germany. The first thing is VW has to make changes for the NA market. Those changes often harm the performance and function of the vehicle. As far as quality goes, take a look at the care Germans put into building their own homes (or anything for that matter) and then take a trip to the areas where those who work in the factories live. There's often two sets of housing - one provided by the factory and/or country, the other they handle themselves. The company provided housing usually ends up getting trashed, and the stuff they build themselves greatly demonstrates their attention to detail and quality of workmanship.
03-16-2011, 06:35 PM
Z wrote: Nah, you've got a fair number of German Bosch electronics kicking around underneath the dash and hood. Interestingly, some of the Volvos that used the LH2.2 FI system were actually using a Chrysler controller. Oh, and if you've got an auto, the AW in AW-70 stands for Aisin-Warner... Yep, I forgot about the Bosch fuel injectors and some other parts, dunno about the controller. It's a stick, which is probably a big reason I'm still using it. Nothing like driving a RWD stick, even underpowered and 28 years old.
03-16-2011, 08:00 PM
M A V I C wrote: Why would that matter in the least? I certainly don't want to put words in anyone's mouth but maybe "quality or workmanship"? A once-popular myth, proven false by years of Accords and other Japanese vehicles being built here to the same standards of quality and workmanship as those from Japan. Another one is people not liking VWs made in Mexico or Brazil---"not true German quality," when the fact is our brown-skinned brothers bolt them together just like they do in the Fatherland. German-made VWs don't have a lock on bad electrical systems ... 'cause it's baked into the formula. Another form of nationalism claimed that U.S. workers couldn't make good cars, which was true when the designs were crap. Sorry, but VWs made in Mexico are worse than those made in Germany. The first thing is VW has to make changes for the NA market. Those changes often harm the performance and function of the vehicle. As far as quality goes, take a look at the care Germans put into building their own homes (or anything for that matter) and then take a trip to the areas where those who work in the factories live. There's often two sets of housing - one provided by the factory and/or country, the other they handle themselves. The company provided housing usually ends up getting trashed, and the stuff they build themselves greatly demonstrates their attention to detail and quality of workmanship. I can't comment on VW's or Germany vs. Mexico but to suggest it is a myth that all workmanship the world over is of equal quality is, if nothing else, a bit of a stretch as mentioned above.
03-16-2011, 09:26 PM
Lew Zealand wrote: Nah, you've got a fair number of German Bosch electronics kicking around underneath the dash and hood. Interestingly, some of the Volvos that used the LH2.2 FI system were actually using a Chrysler controller. Oh, and if you've got an auto, the AW in AW-70 stands for Aisin-Warner... Yep, I forgot about the Bosch fuel injectors and some other parts, dunno about the controller. It's a stick, which is probably a big reason I'm still using it. Nothing like driving a RWD stick, even underpowered and 28 years old. I like my '88 244 M47 (157k mi) and '90 245 AW70 (287k mi)... |
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