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Sadness. Third grader shoots fellow third grader at school.
#91
kj wrote:
>>If you fail to secure your firearm and it is used to kill someone then you should face felony murder charges.

I'm not sure that would work too well, but perhaps something along those lines. kj.

If through your neglect your gun is used for a crime this should be your fate.



A few stiff sentences would send a very clear message to the careless and irresponsible.

The responsible gun owners who use a gun safe and trigger locks have nothing to worry about.
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#92
Spock wrote:
[quote=kj]
>>If you fail to secure your firearm and it is used to kill someone then you should face felony murder charges.

I'm not sure that would work too well, but perhaps something along those lines. kj.

If through your neglect your gun is used for a crime this should be your fate.

A few stiff sentences would send a very clear message to the careless and irresponsible.

The responsible gun owners who use a gun safe and trigger locks have nothing to worry about.
If it worked as well as seatbelt laws, it'd be fine with me. Of course, I use trigger locks, so it wouldn't change my life in the least (I like that). kj.
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#93
kj wrote: If you substitute cars, "Society must have cars even if a few innocent children must die now and then". Same type of choice--we choose to drive even though it kills a lot of people.

You're going to use that argument again?

When guns kill people, they are doing what they are designed to do.
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#94
kj wrote:
[quote=Spock]
[quote=kj]
>>If you fail to secure your firearm and it is used to kill someone then you should face felony murder charges.

I'm not sure that would work too well, but perhaps something along those lines. kj.

If through your neglect your gun is used for a crime this should be your fate.

A few stiff sentences would send a very clear message to the careless and irresponsible.

The responsible gun owners who use a gun safe and trigger locks have nothing to worry about.
If it worked as well as seatbelt laws, it'd be fine with me. Of course, I use trigger locks, so it wouldn't change my life in the least (I like that). kj.
I fail to see the equivalence with seatbelt laws, please enlighten us.
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#95
Spock wrote:
[quote=kj]
[quote=Spock]
[quote=kj]
>>If you fail to secure your firearm and it is used to kill someone then you should face felony murder charges.

I'm not sure that would work too well, but perhaps something along those lines. kj.

If through your neglect your gun is used for a crime this should be your fate.

A few stiff sentences would send a very clear message to the careless and irresponsible.

The responsible gun owners who use a gun safe and trigger locks have nothing to worry about.
If it worked as well as seatbelt laws, it'd be fine with me. Of course, I use trigger locks, so it wouldn't change my life in the least (I like that). kj.
I fail to see the equivalence with seatbelt laws, please enlighten us.
I never said nor implied seatbelt laws are equivalent to gun laws. I only asked they be equivalent with respect to efficacy. Seatbelt laws do work. One reason is that it is an easy law to enforce. Another is that car manufacturers have made it easy to comply (it is probably easy by nature). Would your gun laws be as easy to enforce, in a universal manner? Would they be as easy to comply with? I don't think so, so I doubt they would be as effective. But if they were, I'd say fine. If they are another gun law that isn't enforced, I'd say "why bother?". And compliance is key to any law's effectiveness (prosecution doesn't necessarily affect subsequent compliance).

What if gun manufacturers made guns with built-in trigger locks? Or were required to include them with every sale? What if the government had trigger lock give-aways? That would make compliance easier, in much the same way seatbelts are easy to use (they're built into every car). kj.
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#96
Lux Interior wrote:
[quote=kj]If you substitute cars, "Society must have cars even if a few innocent children must die now and then". Same type of choice--we choose to drive even though it kills a lot of people.

You're going to use that argument again?

When guns kill people, they are doing what they are designed to do.
Why does it matter what they are designed to do? Dead is dead. The death stops if we choose not to use them. kj.
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#97
kj wrote:
Why does it matter what they are designed to do?


Everything involves risk.

If we are going to eliminate activities based on risk, the first ones would be those that are meant to kill people, not ones where people die as a by-product.
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#98
Lux Interior wrote:
[quote=kj]
Why does it matter what they are designed to do?


Everything involves risk.

If we are going to eliminate activities based on risk, the first ones would be those that are meant to kill people, not ones where people die as a by-product.
There is more risk in driving. I don't know about you, but when it comes to dying, I don't care whether what killed me was made to kill me or not. Someone I know was killed by a screwdriver. Why is that different from a knife? kj.
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#99
Although they often enough do, cars are not designed to kill things. Guns are. Guns were not invented, developed or refined to provide leisurely target practice for bored citizens.
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kj wrote:
There is more risk in driving. I don't know about you, but when it comes to dying, I don't care whether what killed me was made to kill me or not. Someone I know was killed by a screwdriver. Why is that different from a knife? kj.

Lets try something. I'll stand in front of a car coming toward me. The driver can do whatever he needs to avoid hitting me using equipment the car came with.

You stand in front of a bullet. The person that fired it can do what ever they need to do to stop the bullet using the equipment the gun came with. I'll even let you move. You have 0.025 seconds.
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