Ugh. Am I about to enter the black hole of OS Upgrades?

[AllGold]

wurm, I don't see any reason not to upgrade from El Capitan. High Sierra or Mojave should be fine.

MrNoBody wrote:
[quote=Gareth]
Mojave forces you into APFS.

It does? News to me....


It's supposed to but it's beyond me on how exactly that stuff works. I thought High Sierra was also supposed to convert internal SSDs to APFS but it didn't on two of my machines. Like I said, it's beyond me.

[S. Pupp]

I "downgraded" from Big Sur to High Sierra after losing access to more and more of my software with each upgrade, and am perfectly happy with it. I do not recall if there were any losses going with Mojave, but I do recall seeing lots of irritating warnings that software was about to become obsolete in future upgrades.

[Altered Horizons]

What version of iTunes are you running? According to Wikipedia, an iPhone SE 2nd gen running iOS 14.4.1 should work with iTunes 12.8.2 on Mac OS 10.11.6.

Maybe try an iTunes update first and if that doesn't work, upgrade Mac OS.

[Gareth]

MrNoBody wrote:
[quote=Gareth]
Mojave forces you into APFS.

It does? News to me....


Mojave will run on HFS+ (I've done it), but my understanding is that Software Updates don't work on HFS+. You have to make a back-up clone on APFS, run the Software Updates, and then clone back to the HFS+ system. Too many steps.

But it appears your volume is an external drive? So, perhaps Mojave will run normally via HFS+ on an external drive?

[MrNoBody]

But it appears your volume is an external drive? So, perhaps Mojave will run normally via HFS+ on an external drive?
NVMe SSD on PCIe adapter card in Slot 2, cMP 5,1 is seen as 'external'
as are all drives connected to PCIe controller cards. iow, if it isn't on the
internal SATA-II bus, it's external.

Software Updates work normally as they always have.

[cbelt3]

FWIW I run the latest iOS on my iphone and a mid 2011 Mini with High Sierra. I just don't update my Notes app when it asks. iTunes and synch work fine. Comments about the user interface aside.. ugh..

[Robert M]

Gareth,

I have an 2014 iMac 27" 5K with Mojave. It's running off an external NVME SSD, formatted as an APFS drive. No issues with Quicken 2007. Same goes for when I was running the identical configuration on a 2014 iMac 27" 5K. Same goes for that 2014 machine when it was running off an external 2.5" SSD formatted as an APFS drive. Same goes for running Quicken 2007 on an 2015 MBPr 13" with an OWC OWC Aura Pro X2 1TB SSD formatted as an APFS drive.

Prior to purchasing the 2019 iMac, I had to move up to Mojave and, in turn, APFS when I needed to upgrade the SSD of the 2015 MBPr 13". I needed both else it couldn't use the better of the available OWC SSDs. So, I upgraded the 2014 iMac first. Made sure all was well. Bought the SSD for the MBPr. Replaced its original SSD with the OWC SSD. No problems.

Maybe the issue isn't Quicken 2007 and APFS drives. Maybe it's High Sierra and APFS drives and that problems with Quicken as a symptom of it?

Robert

[Gareth]

Robert M wrote:
I have an 2014 iMac 27" 5K with Mojave. It's running off an external NVME SSD, formatted as an APFS drive.

I should have clarified. The only issue with Quicken and APFS is that automatic data file back-ups don't work with APFS, so you'll get an error message every time you quit. If you turn off automatic back-ups, then you won't get an error message. Unless they've released an update since I first read about this issue.

[Robert M]

Gareth,

That's a very important clarification. If that feature is the only reason preventing someone from moving to Mojave and/or APFS on an SSD, then definitely turn it off. There are a slew of very easy ways to backup the Quicken data file(s).

Robert

[GGD]

Gareth wrote:
[quote=Robert M]
I have an 2014 iMac 27" 5K with Mojave. It's running off an external NVME SSD, formatted as an APFS drive.

I should have clarified. The only issue with Quicken and APFS is that automatic data file back-ups don't work with APFS, so you'll get an error message every time you quit. If you turn off automatic back-ups, then you won't get an error message. Unless they've released an update since I first read about this issue.
That was also my understanding about Quicken 2007 and APFS, and I had turned off that feature back when I was using Quicken 98. But I still haven't switched to an OSX reslease that requires APFS so I have no firsthand experience with Q2007 and APFS. So 32-Bit is the real killer for Q2007 and Mojave is the last OS it will likely ever run on.

And I think there is even a workaround for the backup/APFS limitation by creating a R/W disk image formatted as HFS+ and select that as the destination for the backups. But again I have not tried it.