How to give a Democrat seriously conflicting reactions....

[cbelt3]

Have them read this story.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/15...?hpt=hp_t2

American Indians ? Check. Oppressed Minority.

Desire to practice non Judeo-Christian religion without official restrictions ? Check.

Allow them to hunt and kill endangered and protective species for religions purposes ? (Head Explodes)


Ed: In retrospect a prototypical Republican would have conflicted reactions as well, mostly relating to War On Religion vs. Our Nation's Symbol.
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I personally have issues with this case, inasmuch as the Bald Eagle is an endangered species. Of course, it's distinctly possible that in the storied forests of the Pacific Northwest, the new-found religion that worships Paul Bunyan may request permission to kill Spotted Owls for their ritual dinners.

[hal]

I'm ok with this - it seems that YOUR head is the one exploding here...

[Ted King]

We tend to think of those kinds of issues in absolutist moral terms (nothing can have higher value than "X" particular value), but the reality is that we are constantly having to search for ways to balance competing rights and/or interests if we want to have a fairly egalitarian and stable pluralistic society.

[mattkime]

>>I personally have issues with this case, inasmuch as the Bald Eagle is an endangered species.

wikipedia indicates that its no longer endangered or threatened. also, they requested to kill only 2.

i hope we have more success like this.

[Grace62]

Letting them kill 2 bald eagles has zero impact on the species, which was removed from the endangered/threatened species list 5 years ago. Bald eagles are everywhere in the PNW, I got swooped by one the other day while out walking.

[Lux Interior]

"How stupid can that be?" he said. "It's a religion."

Not a good argument.

[Black]

cbelt3 wrote:
Have them read this story.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/15...?hpt=hp_t2

American Indians ? Check. Oppressed Minority.

Desire to practice non Judeo-Christian religion without official restrictions ? Check.

Allow them to hunt and kill endangered and protective species for religions purposes ? (Head Explodes)


Ed: In retrospect a prototypical Republican would have conflicted reactions as well, mostly relating to War On Religion vs. Our Nation's Symbol.
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I personally have issues with this case, inasmuch as the Bald Eagle is an endangered species. Of course, it's distinctly possible that in the storied forests of the Pacific Northwest, the new-found religion that worships Paul Bunyan may request permission to kill Spotted Owls for their ritual dinners.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, is it possible the part of the article that states that the Bald Eagle is no longer endangered was added after you started this thread?

[cbelt3]

Black... No, I just missed it.:ohsnap:

[davester]

This thread should actually be entitled...

"How to give a person who matches cbelt3's completely fabricated and largely false stereotype of what he thinks a Democrat is seriously conflicting reactions....

Cbelt3, I think this says more about how you view the world of people than it says about democrats.

[btfc]

"Of course, it's distinctly possible that in the storied forests of the Pacific Northwest, the new-found religion that worships Paul Bunyan may request permission to kill Spotted Owls for their ritual dinners."

No way! Barred owls are so much tastier!:

http://news.discovery.com/earth/battle-b...20302.html



http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.co...les-103242

'Bald eagles are protected from deliberate killing and from commercial trade in their bodies or parts under the Act. Members of federally recognized tribes may receive feathers from relatives or others or they can apply for a permit to obtain feathers or whole birds through the FWS’ Repository near Denver, where 3- to 4-year delays are not uncommon.
A member of the Northern Arapaho Council of Elders noted that killing an eagle for the Sun Dance was a matter of religious freedom that could not be replaced by obtaining an eagle carcass from the Repository because the birds are sometimes decomposed.
Up to 2008, in more than 20 years of the FWS’ permit program, no individual tribal member had applied for or received a fatal-take permit, but permits had been issued to three southwestern tribes, according to court records.
The FWS approval followed years of contention after Winslow Friday, who lived on the Wind River Reservation in Wyoming, shot a bald eagle in 2005 for use in the Tribe’s annual Sun Dance.
In United States v. Friday, he was acquitted in U.S. District Court for the District of Wyoming (District Court) of violating the Act but, on appeal by the Department of Justice (Justice) to the U.S. 10th Circuit Court of Appeals, the charges were reinstated and the case was remanded to the lower court. The Tribe unsuccessfully appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court and the District Court referred the matter to tribal court, where Friday paid a $2,500 fine and received a suspension of his tribal hunting rights for one year.
Last November, the Tribe in Northern Arapaho Tribe et al. v. United States Fish and Wildlife Service et al. contended in District Court that the agency violated the Administrative Procedures Act in its restrictive policy concerning permits for tribal religious practices.
The issuance of the two permits to the Tribe occurred in the context of a plan by FWS and Justice to align uniform practices under an existing policy—the “Morton Policy” of 1975—that calls for tribal input and a review of federal regulations “with probable changes where the legitimate needs of American Indians can be legally recognized without harming federally protected birds.”
The policy also cites the possibility of tribal ordinances to conserve federally protected birds and shared tribal/federal management and enforcement of the laws.'