A land without a people for a people without a land

[special]

let's pretend for a moment that this is not about Jews but instead about Romani people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

If there were a strong movement to find a "country" for them, where would that place be?

Some have tried but nothing happened.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/rom...never-was/

[SteveG]

and ignore the Kurds?

or Tibet

or the Rohingya

let's pretend for a moment this is about the nearly one million Jews who were forced to flee for their lives from their Arab homelands to Israel after 1948.

[Acer]

Anyone asked the Romani if they want a country? They have a 1000-year-old culture of migration, not necessarily displacement.

[JoeH]

Steve G. wrote:
and ignore the Kurds?

or Tibet

or the Rohingya

let's pretend for a moment this is about the nearly one million Jews who were forced to flee for their lives from their Arab homelands to Israel after 1948.

Well that was in response to Israel forcing out at least half a million Palestinian Arabs during the war in 1947-49. Sources connected to Israel put the number at 500-600K, other sources have even higher numbers are listed. None were allowed to return.

So you can keep on bringing up the Arab faults, but Israel has plenty of its own to answer for.

[SteveG]

and yet, somehow, Arabs are full voting citizens and represent 20% of Israel's 8 million people.

[JoeH]

Steve G. wrote:
and yet, somehow, Arabs are full voting citizens and represent 20% of Israel's 8 million people.

Yes, those they let stay in the country after 1948, and their descendants. Before 1948 the population was about 1.3 million Arabs, and about 600 thousand Jews. Even though they are citizens, some were relocated from their original properties, and there still are complaints that they are often treated as second class citizens.

[SteveG]

and the Jewish population of :
Gaza=zero
Jordan=zero
Egypt=10
Syria=zero
Iraq=zero
Libya=zero
Iran=a couple of thousand
Yemen=zero
Turkey=14,000 and shrinking
Lebanon=zero

Even though there is pretense of democracy in Erdogan's Turkey, Israel generally stand alone as the only democracy among 200 million people in Muslim countries in the region.

[SteveG]

As in other Muslim-majority countries, discrimination later became the main "push" factor that encouraged emigration from Turkey to Palestine.

[JoeH]

Steve G. wrote:
Even though there is pretense of democracy in Erdogan's Turkey, Israel generally stand alone as the only democracy among 200 million people in Muslim countries in the region.

You say that like it is an excuse for Israel to act the way it is. That "democracy" has kept Netanyahu in the office of Prim Minister for 13 out of the last 15 years.

[Acer]

JoeH wrote:
[quote=Steve G.]
Even though there is pretense of democracy in Erdogan's Turkey, Israel generally stand alone as the only democracy among 200 million people in Muslim countries in the region.

You say that like it is an excuse for Israel to act the way it is. That "democracy" has kept Netanyahu in the office of Prim Minister for 13 out of the last 15 years.
TBH that's an artifact of the parliament/prime minister version of representative democracy. We have the electoral college directly electing the head of state. Which is the "better"?