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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: guitarist
Date: May 15, 2006 09:14PM
Is it just me, or does anyone else think Paul Simon's performance as musical guest on last Saturday's SNL sucked? The compositions, the band..it was all so much less musical than Simon is capable of. I wondered what Simon has been up to these last few years, he's not on the radar nearly as much as he was 10-15 years ago. Now I wonder if this is maybe why. His current music is regrettably very far from his best stuff. Any comments?
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: Harry in MI
Date: May 15, 2006 09:19PM
I didn't think too much of either song played, but haven't been a big Simon fan for years. (Like since he went solo?) Just seemed a little lame some how.
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: wurm
Date: May 15, 2006 09:25PM
Well, it just goes to show how opinions can vary. I was all set to hate it, but I was pleasantly surprised by his performance and the song(s). But don't go by me. I'm the only person I know who couldn't stand Graceland or anything on it. In fact, I (like Harry) haven't really liked anything of his since the S&G days.
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: Harry in MI
Date: May 15, 2006 09:31PM
I did like some songs on Graceland, but not most.
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: Jimmypoo
Date: May 15, 2006 09:40PM
I've always found these arguments humorous.

"I never liked his stuff after the S&G days."

"I just didn't like McCartney's stuff post-Beatles."



S&G songs are almost exclusively Simon songs.

And any member of the Beatles have added, over and over, that each showed up
with their songs - and in so many cases when the touring stopped, recorded their
stuff, on their own, without other Beatles present or without them even on the
song at all.

John says that he and Paul stopped writing "together" around 1962. John also
says that each song in the later years was them individually, with "the Beatles" as
their personal back-up band.

Paul so often recorded alone, because he, alone, could play drums, that nobody
else played on his material, let alone helped write it!

Ballad of John and Yoko is all John - except for Paul on drums, because that is
the one instrument John wasn't willing to play for a recording.

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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: Mike Johnson
Date: May 15, 2006 09:41PM
I liked it. Something I admire about Paul Simon is he's not afraid to change things up. Graceland, Rhythm of the Saints, and One are all good albums, and each very different from one another. This new stuff is yet something else. Good on him, I say.
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: weapon
Date: May 15, 2006 09:47PM
I am going to have to say it is a generational thing because I think he blew.

Sometimes I just hate SNL music guests, most of the time they are popular groups that can't really perform. Rock acts are the best because rock just looks good onstage. Loved radiohead when they played. Hated coldplay (way overated and too whiney). Some rap is good when the musican can actuall perform, most are not good on stage, they need to stick with releasing studio albums. Bubble gum Pop acts are the worst. Britney, Linsey Lohan (funny in skits though), Hillary Duff, Insert teen name here all suck.

Simon was below most rap but above Bubble gum Pop. That is well into the blew catagory IMHO.
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: h'
Date: May 15, 2006 09:49PM
I enjoyed it.
How would you describe the style?
I don't see how a musician of that calibre can "suck", on a bad day or year or decade, short of some sort of degenerative neurological disease.



I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: Jimmypoo
Date: May 15, 2006 09:52PM
Why are we talking about SNL on a Monday night? Did I miss something?
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: Tommie Milwaukee
Date: May 15, 2006 09:52PM
Weapon, you are an illiterate punk!!
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: weapon
Date: May 15, 2006 09:54PM
I did not like him with garfunkel either. Not too fond the the beatles either, more of a Stones man myself.

Like I said generational I guess.

Don't break a hip getting all riled up now...lol

Remember some people like yanni and John tesh too. Just no one I know.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/15/2006 09:57PM by weapon.
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: Jimmypoo
Date: May 15, 2006 09:55PM
I don't know.... it appears he can read.

I do, however, disagree, and violently, with this statement:

>>Some rap is good when the musican can actuall perform...................


Show me a "Rap Musician" on this planet.
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: Seacrest
Date: May 15, 2006 09:58PM
I have been spitting on Paul Simon's music since the Forest Hills HS days, so my ennui is waaaaay more developed than any of youse.





I am not Ryan Seacrest, and I do not approve this message.
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: Jimmypoo
Date: May 15, 2006 09:59PM
Seacrest, I might disagree with you, if I knew what an "ennui" was.
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: weapon
Date: May 15, 2006 10:03PM
Rap musicians:

Snoop, Dre, Em, Kanye west (Don't like his politics or personal antics but good musician) Pharell...I can name more but you get the point.

Generational:

rap bad, Simon good...lol
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: spearmint
Date: May 15, 2006 10:03PM
I am going to Graceland.




Da Good Life
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: weapon
Date: May 15, 2006 10:05PM
Like elvis though. Not everything musically but he could perform...
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: weapon
Date: May 15, 2006 10:06PM
ennui \on-WEE\, noun:
A feeling of weariness and dissatisfaction arising from lack of interest; boredom.
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: Jimmypoo
Date: May 15, 2006 10:18PM
Seacrest, I might disagree with you, if I knew what "youse" meant.
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: ztirffritz
Date: May 15, 2006 10:19PM
There is definitely an art to rap, but very few practioners are rap "artists". I think that the Beastie Boys and (God help me) Eminem are among the best. LL Cool J was good too. Most others are just flash-in-the-pan punks trying to make a buck. If you don't have an appreciation for Rap you probably never will and that is fine. I find most of it to be juevenile and grating on my ears, but occasionally there is a diamond in the rough that really captures the emotions, attitude, and anguish of the environment that creates the music.

I really admire Paul Simon as an songwriter/artist, just as I admire Dylan, but neither are worth mentioning as musicians. Neither can really sing. Simon is monotone, and Dylan is well, Dylan. The music they each make though is just amazing. My wife (a HUGE Paul Simon fan) told me a great story about a time when Simon visited Dylan. Simon said that he just wanted to see how Dylan lived so that he could get an idea of how he comes up with ideas and lyrics. He said that he found scraps of paper around the house with verse scribbled on it that was better than 90% of what other people produce, but it was crinkled up in a wad in an ashtray at Dylan's house.



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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: Mike Sellers
Date: May 15, 2006 10:31PM
Jimmypoo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I've always found these arguments humorous.
>
> "I never liked his stuff after the S&G days."
>
> "I just didn't like McCartney's stuff
> post-Beatles."
>
>
>
> S&G songs are almost exclusively Simon songs.
>
> And any member of the Beatles have added, over and
> over, that each showed up
> with their songs - and in so many cases when the
> touring stopped, recorded their
> stuff, on their own, without other Beatles present
> or without them even on the
> song at all.
>
> John says that he and Paul stopped writing
> "together" around 1962. John also
> says that each song in the later years was them
> individually, with "the Beatles" as
> their personal back-up band.
>
> Paul so often recorded alone, because he, alone,
> could play drums, that nobody
> else played on his material, let alone helped
> write it!
>
> Ballad of John and Yoko is all John - except for
> Paul on drums, because that is
> the one instrument John wasn't willing to play for
> a recording.
>
>

Well. Garfunkel was never in competition with Simon as a songwriter so you can view Simon's career as a continuous progression of his own musical vision. But, while the Beatles rarely collaborated on songs, the competiion was enough to push them to bring their "A" material just to top each other. Without that competition, McCartney comes up with "Silly Love Songs" and Lennon comes up with that whole "Sometime In New York City" stinkbomb.
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: spearmint
Date: May 15, 2006 10:36PM
The older I grow the more I appreciate Dylan. Paul Simon has always been the man. Now you have to pay attention to Jimmy
Webb as a solo artist.




Da Good Life
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: Tommie Milwaukee
Date: May 15, 2006 10:41PM
>Rock acts are the best because rock just looks good onstage<

There's the point. If an "artist" looks good, they will sell, as in American Idol. Whatever happened to LISTENING to music. I miss that!!!
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: chas_m
Date: May 16, 2006 12:25AM
I always enjoyed S&G but didn't follow Paul Simon as a solo artist closely (though I always liked the singles). "Graceland," on the other hand, was an astonishing artistic statement fusing his previous style with African energy. It was an amazing record even though other musicians (like Brian Eno) were already out there doing something not dissimilar.

Ironic, perhaps, then, that Eno would produce this new Paul Simon album.



chas_m




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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: Will Collier
Date: May 16, 2006 08:23AM
I saw Simon at Jazz Fest in 2001, and he played an incredible set. Didn't get to see him this year, we had to leave early the day he was playing, but he got good reviews.

I understand he's playing Chastain Park in Atlanta this summer, just based on the '01 performance I'd spring for tickets.
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: raz
Date: May 16, 2006 08:58AM
I turned SNL off after Simon's first number (was there a second?) I've liked his work since the 60s (ok "Hearts and Bones" blew), and thought (as above) that Graceland was excellent.

But, this was just random verse, mediocre music and mumbled vocals. To each his own.

I'e seen im live twice (once with G, once ROTS tour), both in Pittsburgh, and both excellent. I've never heard the second verse to America live :-)



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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: JoeM
Date: May 16, 2006 09:23AM
The first tune was not very melodic, something PS's hit music in the past always featured and the vocal was pretty sleepy. I'm not a fan of his current guitarists. I prefer to hear him play, something he's not doing much of.

The second tune featured a bit more melody and some nice harmony but again, not very exciting.

But Gadd on drums is always a pleasure to hear and watch and was that Anthony Jackson on bass?





JoeM
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Re: Paul Simon's performance on SNL
Posted by: graylocks
Date: May 16, 2006 11:52AM
JoeM Wrote:
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> The first tune was not very melodic, something
> PS's hit music in the past always featured and the
> vocal was pretty sleepy. I'm not a fan of his
> current guitarists. I prefer to hear him play,
> something he's not doing much of.

year's ago i read that he had some kind of neurological issue that was going to stop him from playing the guitar. his brother eddie was being groomed to play guitar for him on tours. so i was surprised to see him playing the guitar at all on SNL. if he still has some level of the neurological problem, i don't expect we'll ever see him doing complex guitar work anymore.

i love simon's work. in my mind his recognition as a songwriter should be as great as dylan's.


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