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Re: New MacBook Pros (inc. Quad Core i7) at Apple.com!
Posted by: Seacrest
Date: February 24, 2011 11:38AM






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Re: New MacBook Pros (inc. Quad Core i7) at Apple.com!
Posted by: freeradical
Date: February 24, 2011 11:56AM
Is firewire dead?
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Re: New MacBook Pros (inc. Quad Core i7) at Apple.com!
Posted by: bryanus
Date: February 24, 2011 12:15PM
bummed that the 13" didn't get the hi-res Air screen, less battery life, and still only 2 USB ports. Kind of a sleeper update for the 13" IMO. bah.
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Re: New MacBook Pros!
Posted by: Trouble
Date: February 24, 2011 01:28PM
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then you need 2 ports for what? the devices that don't exist yet?
So to use a USB3 drive and monitor I would need a monitor adapter with a TB pass thru and a miniDP (or DVI out). Then a TB to USB adapter.

Would be a lot nicer with 2 TB ports, or 1 TB port and 1 miniDP port.

Or plug in the TB -> USB adapter, which would have 2 TB ports, then plug in the monitor smiling smiley
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Re: New MacBook Pros (inc. Quad Core i7) at Apple.com!
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: February 24, 2011 01:57PM
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For the moment, even if the Thunderbolt doesn't pan out as a input/output channel, I'm happy that Apple added it. Now if we could only add back the expresscard slot.

It is the ExpressCard slot... on steroids.

Or it might be helpful to think of it as two grown-up PCI Express slots hidden inside of a Mini Displayport slot.

Thunderbolt uses PCI Express protocols so that anyone who makes PCI Express cards and ExpressCard devices should be able to make devices for it pretty easily.

(And just like when the ExpressCard slot was introduced it'll probably be almost a year before third parties produce the appropriate devices to make good use of it.)
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Re: New MacBook Pros (inc. Quad Core i7) at Apple.com!
Posted by: pinkoos
Date: February 24, 2011 02:25PM
The graph puts the speed potential in perspective. Even if one can obtain 2/3 of the theoretical advantage, it will run circles around FW800 and Express Card.


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Re: New MacBook Pros (inc. Quad Core i7) at Apple.com!
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: February 24, 2011 02:33PM
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Even if one can obtain 2/3 of the theoretical advantage, it will run circles around FW800 and Express Card.

Intel is claiming that 10Gbps is the real-world thruput, not the theoretical maximum.

'Can't wait for the Bare Feats tests!
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Re: New MacBook Pros (inc. Quad Core i7) at Apple.com!
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: February 24, 2011 02:47PM
But can it do Target Disk Mode?



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Re: New MacBook Pros (inc. Quad Core i7) at Apple.com!
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: February 24, 2011 02:48PM
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But can it do Target Disk Mode?

The new MBP laptops?

Apple did not remove the FireWire port, so... yeah.
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Re: New MacBook Pros (inc. Quad Core i7) at Apple.com!
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: February 24, 2011 02:54PM
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But can it do Target Disk Mode?

The new MBP laptops?

Apple did not remove the FireWire port, so... yeah.

No, over TB.

I would still rather have USB 3 that I can buy products for today instead of an interim port standard with no products for six months. I would put down money now for an iPad 2 if it had USB 3.



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Re: New MacBook Pros (inc. Quad Core i7) at Apple.com!
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: February 24, 2011 04:24PM
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But can it do Target Disk Mode?

The new MBP laptops?

Apple did not remove the FireWire port, so... yeah.

No, over TB.

Like FW, each device has its own controller and it doesn't depend upon the computer's CPU, so I suspect that it would be possible to do it, but so far as I can tell, Apple has not implemented Thunderbolt Target Mode yet.
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Re: New MacBook Pros (inc. Quad Core i7) at Apple.com!
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: February 24, 2011 04:55PM
TB TDM would be a big benefit for some users. It would partly justify putting a big SSD into a MBP, being able to hook it up to any other Mac and boot off a fast drive.

Too bad the 13" MBP got downgraded to the Intel GMA 3000 graphics. That is a huge step backwards into massive suck territory. I am guessing they are trying to kill it off in favor of the MBA.



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Re: New MacBook Pros (inc. Quad Core i7) at Apple.com!
Posted by: Sam3
Date: February 24, 2011 05:52PM
Supposedly going to the i-series processors offsets the downgrade of the GMA 3000 integrated graphics.
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Re: New MacBook Pros (inc. Quad Core i7) at Apple.com!
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: February 24, 2011 05:52PM
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Too bad the 13" MBP got downgraded to the Intel GMA 3000 graphics. That is a huge step backwards...

It's not an upgrade, but it may not be a downgrade.

Supposedly, the Intel integrated graphics are finally at or near parity to the Nvidia Geforce 310 and 320 mobile chips. I've seen speed tests on PCs that put it right in-between.

Apparently, it's clocked slower on the i5s, but I'm waiting for speed-test results to be published before I decide whether to condemn the change.
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Re: New MacBook Pros (inc. Quad Core i7) at Apple.com!
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: February 24, 2011 06:25PM
Yep, wait for the barefeats test results.

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Too bad the 13" MBP got downgraded to the Intel GMA 3000 graphics. That is a huge step backwards...

It's not an upgrade, but it may not be a downgrade.

Supposedly, the Intel integrated graphics are finally at or near parity to the Nvidia Geforce 310 and 320 mobile chips. I've seen speed tests on PCs that put it right in-between.

Apparently, it's clocked slower on the i5s, but I'm waiting for speed-test results to be published before I decide whether to condemn the change.
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Re: New MacBook Pros (inc. Quad Core i7) at Apple.com!
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: February 24, 2011 06:38PM
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Too bad the 13" MBP got downgraded to the Intel GMA 3000 graphics. That is a huge step backwards...

It's not an upgrade, but it may not be a downgrade.

Supposedly, the Intel integrated graphics are finally at or near parity to the Nvidia Geforce 310 and 320 mobile chips. I've seen speed tests on PCs that put it right in-between.

Apparently, it's clocked slower on the i5s, but I'm waiting for speed-test results to be published before I decide whether to condemn the change.

Okay, it was not apparent on Apple's spec page that it was the new Sandy Bridge HD 3000 and not the GMA 3000. Intel has never been good about keeping product lines easy to tell apart.



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Re: New MacBook Pros (inc. Quad Core i7) at Apple.com!
Posted by: Speedy
Date: February 24, 2011 11:29PM
But do the new models run Windows 7?



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Re: New MacBook Pros (inc. Quad Core i7) at Apple.com!
Posted by: Mike V
Date: February 25, 2011 05:14AM
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It is the ExpressCard slot... on steroids.

Pretty difficult to put an SxS card into a Thunderbolt hole.



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