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The beast within: pretty page, ugly code
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: June 08, 2006 01:03PM
[www.veenix.com]

View source. Yikes.



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Re: The beast within: pretty page, ugly code
Posted by: Seacrest
Date: June 08, 2006 01:11PM
I've seen worse.
But "[period] + <BR>" all the way down the page is not the most elegant way to create a vertical dotted rule.





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Re: The beast within: pretty page, ugly code
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: June 08, 2006 01:39PM
If they ever move to XHTML strict, they will have to change their ways.

There are many missing closing tags, and redundancy in the styles (font families specified over and over, with "Times New Roman" written incorrectly, without quotes) as well as lavish use of deprecated tags.



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Re: The beast within: pretty page, ugly code
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: June 08, 2006 02:14PM
Why write it:

.<br>
.<br>
.<br>
etc.

when you can just do .<br>.<br>.<br>.<br>.<br>.<br>.<br>.<br> ?
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Re: The beast within: pretty page, ugly code
Posted by: rz
Date: June 08, 2006 03:04PM
I wonder if they used iWeb to create that page.
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Re: The beast within: pretty page, ugly code
Posted by: Silencio
Date: June 08, 2006 03:15PM
I don't think they used iWeb. Their page doesn't look dissimilar to how it looked back in 2005 when I first looked at Veenix Font Tools.
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Re: The beast within: pretty page, ugly code
Posted by: MysteryGuest
Date: June 08, 2006 05:50PM
Hey, the artists among you prefer it to the opposite--pretty code, ugly a** page.
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Re: The beast within: pretty page, ugly code
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: June 08, 2006 06:19PM
I want both, dammit: clean code, pretty page.



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Re: The beast within: pretty page, ugly code
Posted by: MysteryGuest
Date: June 08, 2006 10:29PM
Well, you can't have it--unless the artists and the coders work together--because it calls for two entirely different skill sets.



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Re: The beast within: pretty page, ugly code
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: June 09, 2006 01:49PM
People ARE capable of having both skillsets. Pretty much any artistic activity requires technical expertise. Lots of artists are reluctant to get involved with the code aspect of web design, but certainly not all of them.
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Re: The beast within: pretty page, ugly code
Posted by: MysteryGuest
Date: June 15, 2006 05:07AM
Maybe, maybe not, ka jowct. We only have some many functioning braincells. I know is that people are always pointing proudly to their code perfect pages (that they did in Text Edit or something) and when I see them, I'm thinking, boy, that is one butt-ugly site.
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Re: The beast within: pretty page, ugly code
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: June 15, 2006 11:21AM
Mystery, your example just indicates that you've seen some (allegedly) well-coded pages that were produced by people who aren't good at design. (And does anyone who is serious about coding do it in Text Edit?) I've seen some ugly sites that were produced by CSS gurus. People who can't lay out a decent page on paper aren't going to be able to do it on the web, either.

But there are sites built by people who have both skillsets. Take a look at Dan Cederholm's site: [www.simplebits.com]

It's true that lots of designers/artists don't WANT to learn to code, especially those of us who have mainly worked in print but who now need or want to make websites. The problem for a lot of designers or DTP people is that it's a big chunk of expertise to acquire. Not everyone has the time to do it or a work situation that would allow them to do it. None of this means that they couldn't learn code.
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