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A positive review of a building material for anyone who's interested (Phillipine Mahogany)
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: December 28, 2005 03:34PM
Here's something you don't see on a Mac forum every day... except maybe this one...

For anyone who is building, or planning on building, any sort of shelving or possibly cabinetry... I have a suggestion.
Instead of Pine, Fir, Redwood, or Cedar (ALL of which are increasinly hard to find in nice straight, clear grades).
Check out Phillippine Mahogany!

It's not actually a Mahogany, but it's "close" in grain and texture.

Over last summer, I needed to start a room "renovation", consisting mostly of repainting a wall, and putting up some shelves to house a growing collection of books.

Went to the local "wood store" and was shocked not so much at the PRICES of decent woods, but the CRAPPY quality.
"Number 1 Pine" looked like stuff any craftsman would have thrown away even 10 years ago. "Grade A" Fir was worse, and Redwood (which is really too soft anyway for a long lasting shelf) was "you want HOW MUCH?" in price. The boards of Cedar they had looked like corkscrews.

Then I spotted some nice straight, almost knot free, even grained brown wood... the Phillipine Mahogany.
It was cheaper than the "Number 1" pine (and I use that term loosely!).... Unfortunately I can't recall how much it was.

Cuts nice, but has a slight tendancy to splinter on cut edges.
Sands well, and takes only one course of "whiskering" with a damp cloth then sanding to get a nice smooth finish.

I used Minwax Golden Oak finish, followed by two coats of Minwax Polyurethane - Satin.
It's actually quite nice without using the Minwax stain/finish first, but I was trying to get a little closer to some other furniture in the room color-wise.

Comes out a beautiful even color with a hint of red in the right light. At first glance, becuase of the tight grain, you almost think it IS old Oak.

I hope the suppliers in South East Asia and the Pacific (including the Phillippines) take care to manage their forests well, because this is a nice wood to work with!

I'll try to post a pic later...
I have another coat of finish apply.

The hard part is going to be getting a 14 1/2 foot board into the room I need it in...
(the very last shelf... and why it's taken me so long to finish the project! I needed help to rip a 14' long board down to 10" wide, and to move my saw outside where I could work with it).


And remember! Don't waste good wood! Buy only what you need, save the scraps, use every bit, support replanting, and above all; do your best work worthy of good wood!




Paul F.
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Re: A positive review of a building material for anyone who's interested (Phillipine Mahogany)
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: December 28, 2005 03:36PM
Oh, just found this link...

It's also called Lauan.

[www.woodfinder.com]





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Re: A positive review of a building material for anyone who's interested (Phillipine Mahogany)
Posted by: Jack D.
Date: December 28, 2005 04:08PM
If we're *really* gettin' wet over wood, check out these Wood Porn pictures...

[www.talaricohardwoods.com]



- Jack D.




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Re: A positive review of a building material for anyone who's interested (Phillipine Mahogany)
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: December 28, 2005 04:18PM
Oh yeah?

Well, check out [www.gilmerwood.com]

Particularly their "new unique pieces" section...

I'm coming up with projects for a piece of Cocobolo, or some of that Camphor Burl....

Those pics of Figured Bastogne Walnut are pretty damn nice though. I know a couple stockmakers that would probably kill for that log.





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Re: A positive review of a building material for anyone who's interested (Phillipine Mahogany)
Posted by: jimbrady
Date: December 28, 2005 05:03PM
Was this the porn you were thinking of, Paul?
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Re: A positive review of a building material for anyone who's interested (Phillipine Mahogany)
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: December 28, 2005 06:32PM
Not even close, Jim... not even close...







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A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand. - Lucius Annaeus Seneca c. 5 BC - 65 AD
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Good is the enemy of Excellent. Talent is not necessary for Excellence.
Persistence is necessary for Excellence. And Persistence is a Decision.

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Re: A positive review of a building material for anyone who's interested (Phillipine Mahogany)
Posted by: Speedy
Date: December 28, 2005 06:34PM
Sadly, not likely to happen. It hardly happens here.

Paul F. Wrote:
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> I hope the suppliers in South East Asia and the
> Pacific (including the Phillippines) take care to
> manage their forests well, because this is a nice
> wood to work with!
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Re: A positive review of a building material for anyone who's interested (Phillipine Mahogany)
Posted by: Pam
Date: December 28, 2005 06:38PM
My great-grandfather made many pieces out of Phillipine mahogany. I have several. They are very nice pieces of furniture, have held up very well, and are exceptionally easy to refinish as the wood is soft. Glad to see someone else is appreciating the wood.
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Re: A positive review of a building material for anyone who's interested (Phillipine Mahogany)
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: December 28, 2005 06:41PM
Hopefully, they can learn from our mistakes...

The Redwood industry caught on early... (despite what you may have heard).
On average, 11 trees are planted for every one cut. There are actually more trees growing now than there were 100 years ago.
I have some darn big second and THIRD growth trees behind my property... this valley was clear-cut 110 years ago.

If only we'd started that practice 50 years earlier, we'd be better off.





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Re: A positive review of a building material for anyone who's interested (Phillipine Mahogany)
Posted by: Racer X
Date: December 28, 2005 06:59PM
yep, Paul F is buffing his wood again.....
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Re: A positive review of a building material for anyone who's interested (Phillipine Mahogany)
Posted by: h'
Date: December 29, 2005 02:33AM
Sorry to killl your conservationist buzz, but do you really think they're "managing their forests well" in the Phillipines? The whole country is about scraping by economically and exploiting what/who you have. I'm sure the wood export is benefitting tihe royalty nicely.
Supporting the expolit with your purchase is . . . supporting the exploit.
I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
FYI about every other piece of furniture in the IKEA catalogue is described as "Lauan".



I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman
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Re: A positive review of a building material for anyone who's interested (Phillipine Mahogany)
Posted by: h'
Date: December 29, 2005 02:35AM
A snippet from a credible source:
[www.fieldmuseum.org]
Actually no wonder IKEA is right there to get in on the last of the deforestation, while greenwashing itself to heck.



I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman
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Re: A positive review of a building material for anyone who's interested (Phillipine Mahogany)
Posted by: h'
Date: December 29, 2005 02:41AM
This source describes the Philippines as "logged out"
[www.ran.org]
So chances are "Philippine Mahogany" is just a name at this point and it comes from somewhere else.



I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman
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Re: A positive review of a building material for anyone who's interested (Phillipine Mahogany)
Posted by: MikeF
Date: December 29, 2005 11:29AM
I thought I read once that if you put masking tape over the place where the cut is it will minimize splintering.

Also, if you score the line with a cutter it supposedly helps as well.

Don't remember for sure, it's been years since I worked with good quality lumber...
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