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school bus seatbelts.
Posted by: SteveJobs
Date: June 21, 2006 06:30AM
for or against?
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Re: school bus seatbelts.
Posted by: wolfcry911
Date: June 21, 2006 06:42AM
My community doesn't even offer busing anymore, and the school dept. takes over 70% of the budget. But, to answer the question, for. On the condition they change the seating materials to non-flammable. Do you have any idea how quickly an ordinary schoolbus could become fully involved? It's frightening...
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Re: school bus seatbelts.
Posted by: BigGuynRusty
Date: June 21, 2006 08:38AM
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wolfcry911
My community doesn't even offer busing anymore, and the school dept. takes over 70% of the budget. But, to answer the question, for. On the condition they change the seating materials to non-flammable. Do you have any idea how quickly an ordinary schoolbus could become fully involved? It's frightening...

The seat material is non-flammable, and GM fixed the fuel tanks a long time ago.
But to answer the question, no seatbelts.
Until the parents ride with their kids, and discipline them, seatbelts will only be weapons.

BGnR
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Re: school bus seatbelts.
Posted by: Tofer
Date: June 21, 2006 08:42AM
If it means retrofitting a bunch of busses, then the money is best spent elsewhere. If it is for new busses, sure. That said, the number of schoolchildren that die each year in bus crashes (or are severely injured) is on the order of the number of children who die by accidentally inhaling gumballs (i.e., very few), so I'd spend the money on other more important things.

-Tofer
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Re: school bus seatbelts.
Posted by: AlphaDog
Date: June 21, 2006 09:17AM
If you Google school busses and safety, they're shown to be one of the safest forms of transportation, even without seatbelts. Part of the reason is due to the way busses are constructed and the way the vehicle itself "behaves" during a collision, which is much different than regular passenger vehicles because of their size and weight. I certainly wouldn't support spending money to retrofit older busses, and I'm not sure I'd support having them included in new busses, either.
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Re: school bus seatbelts.
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: June 21, 2006 10:11AM
Against, for the reasons discussed above. Note also that school buses and city buses are 'more safe' because they move very slowly, on average. Most school bus usage is local, then never get on a highway, etc.
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Re: school bus seatbelts.
Posted by: Phy
Date: June 21, 2006 10:27AM
Have you ever watched how kids are packed onto a school bus? In my school district, the little kids have to sit three to a seat, and belts are not designed to accommodate that.
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Re: school bus seatbelts.
Posted by: incognegro
Date: June 21, 2006 10:42AM
i say : new ones built with them. don't retrofit. plastic buckles... no more dangerous than, say, a sharpened pencil or metal ruler.
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Re: school bus seatbelts.
Posted by: davester
Date: June 21, 2006 10:49AM
Why do you think this is a matter of opinion? Whether to use seatbelts or not should be based on analysis of accident statistics to determine whether seatbelts are effective in this application, not what a bunch of non-experts "think".



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Re: school bus seatbelts.
Posted by: SteveJobs
Date: June 21, 2006 11:30AM
are school buses rarely go over 50 or so in the straightaway.



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Re: school bus seatbelts.
Posted by: jesse
Date: June 21, 2006 12:01PM
It's not a collision I worry about, but when buses roll over. They were showing footage from the video camera mounted inside a school bus a while back during a roll over and the kids just went flying through the air.

jesse
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Re: school bus seatbelts.
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: June 21, 2006 01:53PM
My dad ran busses for several school districts in several states. In several states he worked directly with state and local officials regarding school bus safety. He once told me that the number of injuries and deaths that occurred with seat belts was higher than with the busses that didn't have them.

He took over one district shortly after they instituted the use of seat belts. He used them for about a year and the number of injuries drastically increased. The majority of the time that seat belts were used, they were not to secure a student to the seat but to tie up, strangle, trip, beat, whip... other students.

They then removed the seat belts from all of the busses.




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Re: school bus seatbelts.
Posted by: incognegro
Date: June 21, 2006 02:41PM
watch the kid in the back (right side)
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Re: school bus seatbelts.
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: June 21, 2006 04:47PM
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watch the kid in the back (right side)
[www.sccs.swarthmore.edu]

Yep, that's because it's a long bus and the student was sitting in the far back. The driver hit a bump too fast. Sure a seat belt would have helped in that one situation, but there are far more situations where they cause more harm than good.




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