Truthfully, with everything working fine in 10.4.2, I have been reluctant to take a chance on 10.4.3.

When it first became available, I picked up on a number of oddball problems with 10.4.3 that were reported on the "mac" forums that I watch.

I'm wondering if my reluctance is undeserved.

What are your experiences with 10.4.3 and do you recommend that I upgrade?

Thanks for your thoughts,

GeneL

10.4.3 is as stable as a lamb is gentle. There are a lot of "fixes" in the update, none of which I remember this late at night, but I can say for absolute certain that none of my Macs had *any problems* digesting it.

I have four Macs running 10.4.3 right now and they're all doing great: a G5 tower, a G4 tower with a 1.8GHz DP CPU upgrade, my PowerBook, and my wife's iMac G3/400MHz/120GB/1GB RAM.

Fear not, for many others have tread where you fear to step.

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What's the difference between reality and fiction? Fiction has to make some sense.

Nope. Not here.

I was caught by the update from 10.3.7 to 10.3.8. My machine never got past the spinning wheel at boot. I had to reinstall 10.3 from scratch to recover (archive and install).

So, like you, I held off on the 10.4.3 update--and when I heard about the problems others had, I just stayed pat at .2. I'm very content right now with that.

I just love hearing people talk about "oh, don't do the Software Update, here's what you do: repair permissions, download the combo updater, use that, then repair permissions again." This sounds as bad as anything that's ever happened in Windows, if not worse. Screw that. If Apple can't get it right in the first place...

Come to think of it, I've yet to see a Windows update hose a system in ANY fashion. It just doesn't happen.

elmo3 Wrote:

> Come to think of it, I've yet to see a Windows
> update hose a system in ANY fashion. It just
> doesn't happen.


That's because Windows is simply a better platform to work on than OSX, duh!

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---“What you permit, you promote. What you allow, you encourage. What you condone, you own.”

elmo3's never seen a Windows update hose a system, LOLx 1,000,000!

No, you don't have to wait for an update to hose a Windows system...it just happens all by itself. You've got to get your facts straight you little troll.

Now paleeze go back and crawl into the hole from whence you came.

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What's the difference between reality and fiction? Fiction has to make some sense.

Nope. My QS fell apart when I upgraded to .3, so I shoved the Tiger DVD into the DVD player, and it rebuilt itself. I downloaded the .2 combo update, and have stayed there. What a disaster .3 is.

Not.

I have four Macs running 10.4.3 right now and they're all doing great: a G5 iMac, a G4 dual 1 Gig tower, my Pismo PowerBook, and a Cube. My Canon S9000 printer color is off a bit but I run generic color tanks and have heard no one else complain about this issue.
You have waited this long, can 10.5.1 be far away?

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Staunton, Virginia

10.4.3 here without problems.

rexrzer Wrote:
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> elmo3's never seen a Windows update hose a system,
> LOLx 1,000,000!
>
> No, you don't have to wait for an update to hose a
> Windows system...it just happens all by itself.
> You've got to get your facts straight you little
> troll.
>
> Now paleeze go back and crawl into the hole from
> whence you came.

waaaaaaah.

The fact is, Windows updates aren't accompanied by an apologist group of people telling you to do some arcane things just to make them go right.

Apple's software updates are not as reliable as they need to be. Do you agree, or are you just going to go off on some name-calling tirade?

10.4.3 here, no problems on an iBook g4.

10.4.3 on a DVI 12" PowerBook - no problems

I've not gone to 10.4.3 yet.


BECAUSE I'M STILL IN PANTHER AND JAG!

10.4.3 introduced some incompatibilities with mounting SMB shares at one client's office. YMMV, but beware if you work with Windows servers.

another person updated to 10.4.3 and it broke Prosoft's Netware client, and thus her ability to work on files from her company's Novell server.

do not take point updates lightly, especially if you rely on non-Apple software and networking.

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Yup; 10.4.3 with no problems on:

G5 iMac (pre-iSight)
G4 iMac (floating flat panel)
G4 eMac (700MHz)

and updated a friends:

G5 iMac (pre-iSight)
G4 PowerBook (titanium)

Typical use on most (web, mail, word processing) and heavier use (InDesign CS2, Filemaker Pro, etc) on my G5 iMac.

I'm still on Panther. I am trying to maintain an every-other-cat schedule for no good reason other than stubborness, I guess.

10.4.3 here - it actually fixed my inability to network with the windoze PC at work.

I'm still debating on updating from 10.3.7 because I want the newest QT, but I heard a lot of horror stories about going to 10.3.8. So, I am still holding off for now.

Maybe the next time a cute baby bunny clip comes along and I can't view it without the latest QT, I'll reconsider.

Still 10.3.9. I might go to Tiger when 10.5 is released.

Mac mini with 10.4.3 and no problems that I know of.

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3GHz - The clock is STILL ticking Steve.

elmo3 Wrote:
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>are you just
> going to go off on some name-calling tirade?


It wasn't really a tirade. He just claimed you are a troll. I have proof that you do troll so if the shoe fits ...


Stop pitting OSX against Windows and trying to get people to argue with you, it's getting old.

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---“What you permit, you promote. What you allow, you encourage. What you condone, you own.”

It'd be funnier if people pitted OS X against some of the Linux distros.

"Yeah, well Gentoo KDE sux0rs."

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3GHz - The clock is STILL ticking Steve.

I should have added my system configuration:

G5 2.0 rev b dual (single core)/4.5GB/10.4.2

It seems as if there are still many that are holding off, although, I'm glad that a number of you have upgraded to 10.4.3 successfully.

Is there any mews (typing error caused by all the cats on the forum) about a further upgrade/update that will be a better bet?

Thanks for your thoughts,

GeneL

10.4.4 was supposed to be out by end-of-year, guaranteeing we go through this whole cycle all over again...

elmo3 Wrote:
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> Apple's software updates are not as reliable as
> they need to be.

I agree. I don't see how they can keep releasing updates that cause problems for so many people. Some folks here are saying they have to reinstall the OS after "updates".

It seems to be acceptable when it happens on a mac, somehow.

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I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman

I waited a long time to go to 10.4.3 but I'm glad I did. No problems at all.

GeneL,

I went from 10.4.2 to 10.4.3 without hesitation. I didn't have a problem and I run all the Adobe CS Apps, Acrobat 7, Quark 6.5, Dreamweaver among others. I didn't have a problem.

The thing about reading "horror" stories online regarding updates; you hardly ever hear from the users who don't experience any problems.

When performing updates, I go through permissisions repair before and after installation.

The standard disclaimer of "a good backup scheme should be a regular part of your computing experience" applies in this situation also.

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I sit on a man’s back, choking him and making
him carry me, and yet assure myself and others
that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his
lot by all possible means — except by getting off
his back. - Leo Tolstoy, novelist and Philosopher
(1828-1910)

Thanks, MacArtist (The artist formerly known as BigMac1964.)!

You were my inspiration to buy my G5 so I listen to what you have to say.

I will be upgrading this afternoon and will report back.

Happy New Year

pinion Wrote:
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> It wasn't really a tirade. He just claimed you
> are a troll. I have proof that you do troll so if
> the shoe fits ...

You have no such proof, other than that which exists solely in your imagination.

If it makes you happy to think so, then be happy. It affects reality not one whit.


>
>
> Stop pitting OSX against Windows and trying to get
> people to argue with you, it's getting old.

Stop claiming that Macintosh is inherently better than Windows when it's easily shown that in many cases, Macintosh is worse than Windows--this being one of them.

I just report the facts, I don't make them up. That you don't like the facts, and that you don't like them being reported, is your own personal problem.

As h' says:

> I don't see how they can keep releasing updates that cause
> problems for so many people. Some folks here are saying they
> have to reinstall the OS after "updates".
>
> It seems to be acceptable when it happens on a mac, somehow.

Truer words were never spoken.

People disagree with how a dialog box LOOKS on Windows, and they go off on a tirade about how Windows sucks. Then Macintosh brings to them some God-awful unacceptable behavior, like an OS update that breaks everyone's Firewire drives, and that's "acceptable" to the apologist masses. No tirade there, no sir. That would be against the religion.

You just hate being outed for being religiously fanatic about something like this, and being outed for being wrong on the things you religiously believe in.

The facts. Just the facts. I report them. You hate them, and therefore you attack the messenger.

As usual, I don't know what Elmo3 is talking about.

I upgraded to 10.4.3 without a hitch and everything is working normally.

Just lucky me. I guess

GeneL,

Most of the time Elmo3 doesn't know what he is talking about.

I am glad everything went well for you. I had a feeling it would be fine.

Really the only update I had a problem with was going from 10.3.7 to 10.3.9 when there was a problem with something related to java. That was fixed in short order. Otherwise, I haven't had any problems with incremental updates. But I am very, very cautious with the larger upgrades like going from 10.2 to 10.3.

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I sit on a man’s back, choking him and making
him carry me, and yet assure myself and others
that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his
lot by all possible means — except by getting off
his back. - Leo Tolstoy, novelist and Philosopher
(1828-1910)

Thanks again, Mac

No problem here with 10.4.3, but my Tiger isntallations are fairly pristine systems on drives I don't usually boot from. I'm still doing most of my work in Panther.



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It's sad to see this tiresome subject appear, the "should I update my software? Will I get hosed?" Chicken-Little-the-sky-is-falling thread.

elmo3 Wrote:
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> pinion Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It wasn't really a tirade. He just claimed
> you
> > are a troll. I have proof that you do troll
> so if
> > the shoe fits ...
>
> You have no such proof, other than that which
> exists solely in your imagination.
>
> If it makes you happy to think so, then be happy.
> It affects reality not one whit.
>
>
> >
> >
> > Stop pitting OSX against Windows and trying
> to get
> > people to argue with you, it's getting old.
>
> Stop claiming that Macintosh is inherently better
> than Windows when it's easily shown that in many
> cases, Macintosh is worse than Windows--this being
> one of them.
>
> I just report the facts, I don't make them up.
> That you don't like the facts, and that you don't
> like them being reported, is your own personal
> problem.


There is proof of you being a troll. I'm not the only one who has seen it. Click on the link at the bottom of my sig. You'll see a perfect example. Don't you get tired of being wrong all of the time?

I don't claim that macintosh is inherently better than Windows. You are just pulling that out of your behind. Given the two platforms I like OS X better, possibly because I havn't had the some of the problems other people report. I do know that I've had to reinstall Windows XP twice on my desktop since I've gotten my powerbook and 0 times have I had to reinstall OSX.

I apologize for your behavior elmo3, it is partly my fault. I know I'm not suppose to feed the trolls but whenever you make up some wild statements I latch on to them hook, line, and sinker. To prevent this in the future I'm setting you to ignore like most of the other people here should. You are a sad sad person and I really feel sorry for you.

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---“What you permit, you promote. What you allow, you encourage. What you condone, you own.”

I looked at the thread you referenced. That's your "proof"?

I repeat: You have no such proof, other than that which exists solely in your imagination.

If it makes you happy to think so, then be happy. It affects reality not one whit.

GeneL Wrote:
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> As usual, I don't know what Elmo3 is talking
> about.
>
> I upgraded to 10.4.3 without a hitch and
> everything is working normally.
>
> Just lucky me. I guess

Funny that you didn't respond to the OTHER people in this thread who ALSO have had problems with system updates, including 10.4.3.

Like I said, you want to ignore the facts that are laid out and just claim that "I don't know what they're talking about". You have seen the complaints, you've read the Macintouch reports from people who have lost either Firewire drives or entire systems due to system updates, and you sit there with your head in the sand and continue to say that you "don't now what they're talking about".