This is getting a little tiresome.

Have a little courtesy for those who haven't seen a game.

Not to be argumentative, but how exactly can you be on the internet and not come across the results somehow somewhere?

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Not to be argumentative, but how exactly can you be on the internet and not come across the results somehow somewhere?

It's pretty easy unless some jerk decides to post a spoiler without a warning.

I guess I wasn't clear that this is the only place you go to when on the 'net. Sorry.

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When exactly were you going to see the game? I don't think it's repeated.

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I guess I wasn't clear that this is the only place you go to when on the 'net. Sorry.

So I guess you really were just trying to be argumentative in spite of what you said.

It's quite easy to avoid sports scores with a little effort.

In case you haven't noticed, this is not a baseball forum, and you wouldn't expect to find spoilers here.

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When exactly were you going to see the game? I don't think it's repeated.

I subscribe to mlb.com

I can watch any game that's up to 11 days old.

Baseball isn't narrative. Once the game is over it's NEWS, which is probably why it's on the NEWS!

Who won the presidential election? Oh wait! Don't tell me, I taped it! Same Thing!

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I guess I wasn't clear that this is the only place you go to when on the 'net. Sorry.

So I guess you really were just trying to be argumentative in spite of what you said.

It's quite easy to avoid sports scores with a little effort.

In case you haven't noticed, this is not a baseball forum, and you wouldn't expect to find spoilers here.

Nor is it a camera forum, or a car forum, or a mooning forum, a medical forum. Probably best to add this to your do-not-look list when there's a sports result you don't want to know about.

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people who dont' want to be told of sports scores really need to put a few pillows over their head - wherever they are! - before they can get home to their television. and, then, when they turn on said television, make sure they are not on a channel where some NEWS might be broadcast.

I'm convinced this whole spoilers thing is indicative of what is wrong with our internet-obsessed culture

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Seems to me to be a reasonable enough request, at least as far as thread titles go.

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I subscribe to mlb.com

I can watch any game that's up to 11 days old.

The entire front page of mlb.com is nothing BUT spoilers.
Plus any news site/radio news/tv news/newspaper.

Maybe you can pull it off but it seems to me it would require blinders and ear plugs.

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I subscribe to mlb.com

I can watch any game that's up to 11 days old.

The entire front page of mlb.com is nothing BUT spoilers.
Plus any news site/radio news/tv news/newspaper.

Maybe you can pull it off but it seems to me it would require blinders and ear plugs.

I'm not talking about the the website; I have a subscription service...

I understand the frustration, but I'm also of the opinion that this place is almost as much if a social gathering as a sandwhich shop or similar. I wouldn't expect the ppl at the table to discuss a game that's been played in such vague generalizations so that they didn't ruin it for someone. It's happened enough here with various sports that I think one should almost expect it. At least realize its a possibility and avoid looking until they are caught up on their viewing.

That we bear some responsibility so that others can have the world their way I think does not really jive with how the Internet works.

TOPES WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's unreasonable and obnoxious to post any kind of spoilers in a thread title. I noticed that some of the defenders of the practice in this thread are the very same folks who have repeatedly posted sports spoilers after being asked not to. I have to wonder what is wrong with those folks that they have to persist in something that is clearly only done to annoy others.

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Seems to me to be a reasonable enough request, at least as far as thread titles go.

The very long history of this forum and dealmac is not to post spoilers in the thread title. this is and was true always true for sports. But it is and has also been always true for TV shows too. so spoilers for 24 and LOST were also not allowed in thread titles.

I do not find it particularly difficult to avoid seeing the result of a game if I work to avoid it.

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You're apparently a minority
and you know how some people are incapable of caring about minorities.
Except for when it would seem to benefit them .
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Seems to me to be a reasonable enough request, at least as far as thread titles go.

I agree too, but freerad doesn't have to be insulting ("It's pretty easy unless some jerk decides to post a spoiler without a warning.") about it. I for one have been aware for quite awhile that spoilers can happen here easily enough and I don't feel that some forumistas are "jerks" for it. Hell, sometimes this is the first place I find out about the latest breaking story!

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Seems to me to be a reasonable enough request, at least as far as thread titles go.

I agree too, but freerad doesn't have to be insulting -"It's pretty easy unless some jerk decides to post a spoiler without a warning." -about it. I for one have been aware for quite awhile that spoilers can happen here easily enough and I don't feel that some forumistas are "jerks" for it. Hell, sometimes this is the first place I find out about the latest breaking story!

Sorry about the repeat post. Operator error.

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Seems to me to be a reasonable enough request, at least as far as thread titles go.

Ditto

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It's pretty easy unless some jerk decides to post a spoiler without a warning.

Yeah, that's real responsible posting.

Don't know how you find time to post here, between all your time-shifted TV and your group's majlis.

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There is a part of me that thinks not having a spoiler in a headline is a reasonable request.

But there is a larger part of me that wonders why my speech and the speech of countless others has to be restricted so that a handful of time-shifters won't be inconvienced.

Why can't the forum rule just as easily be: don't come here if you don't want to risk a spoiler? The current tradition lets a minority dictate our forum use. I don't agree with it.

I have never posted a spoiler in a headline but it is now becoming very tempting to me.

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During the Olympics, the Evening News with Scott Pelly didn't give out the scores and results for the first couple of days for the same reason, which was stupid. They though better of it and simply told their listeners to turn their heads and mute the television until they delivered the Olympic NEWS.

Nobody is trying to spoil anything intentionally for anybody. The results of "anything" can be subject to that request for the courtesy of keeping a secret. I wouldn't tell the scores because I know it pisses certain people off. But that doesn't make it reasonable.

And it's not just here. I love sports and so do my friends. Too many of them tape instead of watching the games. They're always trying to get those of us who watched the game to stop talking about it. Even at dinner. Crazy.

If the Raiders played today and I missed the game. First thing I want to know is did they win or not? I'm still going to watch the game regardless. Because I'm a real fan.

For those in favor of spoilers in thread titles, offer a reason why. What about spoilers in thread titles about Game of Thrones or the Walking Dead or Downton Abby or any other popular serial TV show? How about current new movies?



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For those in favor of spoilers in thread titles, offer a reason why. What about spoilers in thread titles about Game of Thrones or the Walking Dead or Downton Abby or any other popular serial TV show? How about current new movies?

Game of Thrones, etc., is narrative. A story. Knowing the end of which could be ruinous. Sports are not narratives. They're events. Which become news once their over. Nobody is in favor of spoilers in thread titles. If it's done, it's by accident. Getting beat up about it is unreasonable.

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For those in favor of spoilers in thread titles, offer a reason why. What about spoilers in thread titles about Game of Thrones or the Walking Dead or Downton Abby or any other popular serial TV show? How about current new movies?

Game of Thrones, etc., is narrative. A story. Knowing the end of which could be ruinous. Sports are not narratives. They're events. Which become news once their over. Nobody is in favor of spoilers in thread titles. If it's done, it's by accident. Getting beat up about it is unreasonable.

I think it is reasonable to get beat up over it. I first complained about spoilers in subject-lines/titles at the old place ~11 years ago.

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I've never heard of anyone watching a time shifted baseball game until now. I've known people who listen to the game on radio when TV is not available. But watching a recording of a baseball game? Never. Small minority of one maybe? Ehhh,, i bet the OP wasn't even gonna watch. Just arguing for the sake of arguing.

I am not in FAVOR of posting spoilers in headlines.

What I disapprove of is people SCREAMING at people because those people indulged in perfectly normal, perfectly understandable conversation about something which everyone in the entire world knows except for like .00000000001%.

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From now on, I expect NO SPOILERS regarding Apple products introduced during keynote speeches, since I cannot watch them at work and have to see them later in the day. I want to be surprised at what happens. Got it?

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I am not in FAVOR of posting spoilers in headlines.

What I disapprove of is people SCREAMING at people because those people indulged in perfectly normal, perfectly understandable conversation about something which everyone in the entire world knows except for like .00000000001%.

I am a big believer in avoiding TV ads 100% of the time. I almost never watch real time tv. I either download programming or watch live broadcasts delayed. It save time (lots of it) and saves aggravation of annoying ads.

More and more people are doing this. Once you experience life without TV ads for a few weeks, you'll never want to go back.

It's quite easy to avoid the news of a games final score with some effort.

I consider this place safe since 99% of participants are aware of the 21st century common courtesy of not posting spoilers in thread titles.

I completely disagree with vision63's logic about news vs narrative... it doesn't make it any less true that many wish to avoid the final score of a live game. You're simply defining terms to fit your view. So what if the final score is 'news' - doesn't change a thing in my mind. I am avoiding news sites - obviously. A news program is SUPPOSED to give you the news. It's not their job to protect time shifters. Their job is to give us news.

And I really don't get $tevie's comparison with Apple events... who watches those things for the action and suspense? We just want to know the bottom line and most would be happy to get a one paragraph summary before the broadcast so we won't have to watch it.

BUT if a tiny group of people asked to not post spoilers in thread titles, I would oblige - why not? Why get bothered about it?

Please folks, I'm asking nicely... please don't put spoilers for sporting events in thread titles.

I never have done that, and I won't start now. I just find it incredibly irritating to be screamed at about it and I won't stop finding that irritating if I live to be 100. Hal's method would work a lot better.

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It's quite easy to avoid the news of a games final score with some effort.

I don't post spoilers. So perhaps people could, in return, admit that some people follow the news all day long and find it almost unbelievable that a person can avoid the results of a nationally televised sports event. Between Twitter, FB, public radio, and reading the news sites I could no more avoid what happened in a game like that than I could fly.

So I'd like a little bit of understanding as to why I find this completely baffling.

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From now on, I expect NO SPOILERS regarding Apple products introduced during keynote speeches, since I cannot watch them at work and have to see them later in the day. I want to be surprised at what happens. Got it?

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It's quite easy to avoid the news of a games final score with some effort.

I don't post spoilers.

I know and I appreciate that...

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So perhaps people could, in return, admit that some people follow the news all day long and find it almost unbelievable that a person can avoid the results of a nationally televised sports event. Between Twitter, FB, public radio, and reading the news sites I could no more avoid what happened in a game like that than I could fly.

So I'd like a little bit of understanding as to why I find this completely baffling.

Granted - it's hard to remain ignorant of news while reading new sites. AND while reading FB, twitter and listening to public (or private) radio.

And I even answer the phone, "I don't know the final score of the game - DO NOT give it away. Hi... what's up?"

You also can not lose weight with a diet that includes a nice big piece of cake after every meal

I realize that I'm swimming upstream and I fail probably 30% or more of the time, but the effort is worth it to me...

It's pretty obvious that the first step to take in avoiding the news of the final score is to also avoid twitter, FB, radio (public or otherwise) and of course, new sites. In my case, I already do not deal with twitter or FB. I listen to radio only in my car, but not if I'm trying to stay ignorant of news. So for me, the only real effort is to avoid news sites until after the event.

I can finish a 4 hour baseball broadcast in 2.5 hours without missing a single moment of action. That's only one benefit - the other is remaining blissfully ignorant of TV commercials. Completely... blissfully ignorant...

It's a state of being that I would gladly spend money to achieve. But I really only have to exert a tiny bit of effort - and depend on the kindness of strangers...



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Baseball isn't narrative. Once the game is over it's NEWS, which is probably why it's on the NEWS!

^ This! If you don't want to know the outcome of an event, don't come here. vision is absolutely right about narrative and news.

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On some forums, posting spoilers without a warning will get you banned. Doesn't matter if it's sports, movies, TV... it's still a spoiler. The last stats I saw (which was a couple years ago) is that over 30% of people "time shift" content.

Overall I really don't think those who don't want spoilers in the thread title are the minority. It's a very reasonable request.

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This small minority should sit in the back of the bus, too.
You deserve no respect and the disrespectful will afford you nought but excuses.

Nobody is saying that in total. Not a single person here purposefully disrespected someone by posting a spoiler. It was always by accident. My only issue is people getting beaten up about it. But the people that want it don't necessarily "deserve" it. It's news. They only thing they "deserve" is the courtesy of a fellow forum member towards another in general, which means that you will accommodate their unreasonable request because you like them (as I like everyone here).

But it doesn't make them reasonable or necessarily deserving.

Back of the bus? That's what this equals?



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