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New neighbor smokes, how to best deal w/ this selfish pr!ck?
Posted by: Buzz
Date: August 04, 2006 11:53PM
New smoker guy moved into back unit, replacing old non-smoker guy as roommate to yuppie chick on lease. New guy wanders around outside, smoking and talking on cell phone, though it is supposed to be a smoke-free 2 building complex. Several neighbors have already asked him to refrain, and when asked, he simply walks a building, or two, away for the time being. Given the hot weather lately, everybody has their windows open, and when new guy insists on sticking close to the buildings to smoke (and talk), it is very annoying. He has sufficiently proven his selfishness in the short time he has been here; how do we get him to be more considerate, after he's already been asked dozens of times?

My best idea so far is to get the rest of the neighbors to sign a short petition asking him to refrain and/or go elsewhere, and then scan and print it on an adhesive label that can be pasted on his car window upon each transgression. Hopefully by having to scrape the label off, he will then realize the discomfort and inconvenience he continues to cause all of the neighbors is a real problem that needs to be dealt with. Four buildings up is a haven for smokers, he should simply go there to indulge in his selfish activities.



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Re: New neighbor smokes, how to best deal w/ this selfish pr!ck?
Posted by: PeterB
Date: August 05, 2006 12:02AM
What does the lease say? A lot of leases prohibit smoking in or around the unit, for various reasons-- ranging from inconvenience to others, to the possibility of starting fires. If the lease says no smoking, then this is really something the landlord should handle.

I wouldn't do the label on the car thing. You don't want this coming from you or your neighbors; you want it coming from the landlord. When people are willing to inconvenience others, often they only respond to pressure from above... and unfortunately, you are not that pressure.




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Posted by: Kiva
Date: August 05, 2006 12:12AM
"it is supposed to be a smoke-free 2 building complex"

how is this documented? that's your leverage..

kiva



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Re: New neighbor smokes, how to best deal w/ this selfish pr!ck?
Posted by: sscutchen
Date: August 05, 2006 12:13AM
You need a chihuahua... a loud one.
Walk him right next to the guy when he's on the cell phone.

Alternatively, you and the other neighbors can take turns barking... or carrying on loud conversations, or cranking the stereo.

Seriously... Maybe have everyone go have a talk with him at the same time? A big group?

I didn't know how many of them it would take to kick my ass.
But I knew how many they were gonna use...
That's important information right there.
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Re: New neighbor smokes, how to best deal w/ this selfish pr!ck?
Posted by: Stephanie
Date: August 05, 2006 12:14AM
yup, what Peter & Kiva said. Don't lower yourself to his level by putting stuff on his car. If it truly IS in the rules/lease/some other document, then that's the route you should take. Get management involved - that's what they're there for.
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Re: New neighbor smokes, how to best deal w/ this selfish pr!ck?
Posted by: incognegro
Date: August 05, 2006 12:47AM
cell phone jammer
[www.slate.com]

or bucket of water
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Re: New neighbor smokes, how to best deal w/ this selfish pr!ck?
Posted by: bfd
Date: August 05, 2006 01:46AM
Cell-phone jammers could occasionally backfire… especially if they get powered "on" without the owner's awareness …

Not saying bfd knows anything about this, of course.
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Re: New neighbor smokes, how to best deal w/ this selfish pr!ck?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: August 05, 2006 02:15AM
i'd take comfort in the fact that he'll die an early and painful death



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Re: New neighbor smokes, how to best deal w/ this selfish pr!ck?
Posted by: Pam
Date: August 05, 2006 06:22AM
I'd try a nicer approach and make sure he really understands that when windows are open, smoke can filter in. And regardless of whether or not windows are open, talking on a cell phone near a building can still be heard inside. You don't seem to get that he has shown some consideration. He does go outside to smoke respecting the rules and has moved away when asked. I wouldn't write him off so quickly as an inconsiderate clod. Many people have no idea how irritating cell phone conversations can be or even how easy sound travels through walls/windows. I bet he doesn't want his conversations so easily overheard. Instead of assuming he's a selfsih prick, have a calm "Dude, did you know we can hear your phone conversations..." kind of talk with him. The guy could actually be a decent person.
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Re: New neighbor smokes, how to best deal w/ this selfish pr!ck?
Posted by: Jp!
Date: August 05, 2006 08:13AM
Send him to CompUSA
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Re: New neighbor smokes, how to best deal w/ this selfish pr!ck?
Posted by: PeterB
Date: August 05, 2006 08:42AM
Cell phone jammers are illegal in this country... unfortunately. I'd like to see the law change on this one.

Pam has a point... if that approach doesn't work, you always have more in your arsenal.




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Re: New neighbor smokes, how to best deal w/ this selfish pr!ck?
Posted by: billb
Date: August 05, 2006 08:51AM
You smell the smoke when he's actually smoking ?
Or just when you know he's out there.
(You'd be surprised how many people start gagging when they see someone smoking and the wind is blowing the other way.)
The reason I ask, is your post starts off extremely confrontational, which will get you nowhere.
He's going to smoke. Sad, his choice.
If there's a renting rule that prohibits smoking on the property rather than in the building, then by all means go for it. That rule is there for the tenents comfort. If the rule only covers i n the building, then anylize where his habit would impact you all the least and ask him to smoke there.
Some people will respond nicely to your concerns about your health and air quality.
Some will see you as an adversary that is a selfish pr&*% that only cares about themselves.
I usually extend a wish that someone not smoke for their health reasons, rather then mine.
Caring (or at least the illusion) goes a lot further than confrontation.
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Re: New neighbor smokes, how to best deal w/ this selfish pr!ck?
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: August 05, 2006 09:15AM
It is amazing how bad cigarette smoke smells and how far it will carry. I've been
30-40ft. from the road in front of my house and a car will go by doing 45-55mph
and I'm actually able to smell the smoke. The prevailing winds usually come from
that direction. I grew up with a Dad that smoked and despised it then and I still do.
I don't think people that smoke really know how bad the stuff smells until they
quit. I know at least 3 people at work that used to smoke and now they can't stand
to be around it. We have about 150 people where I work and we're down to less
than 20 that still smoke.

Definitely don't go too far by taking matters into your own hands. Let the landlord
handle if possible.



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Posted by: incognegro
Date: August 05, 2006 09:22AM
Grateful11 is right. it's an acrid, horrible smell.

i was driving the other day and smelled the harsh odor, looked around, and saw someone in a vehicle across an intersection who was smoking. nobody near me had a butt in their mouth.

i lived with a smoker for a while; i could always tell when he first lit up, it was the nastiest at the beginning (Marlboro reds).
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Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: August 05, 2006 09:31AM
(You'd be surprised how many people start gagging when they see someone smoking and the wind is blowing the other way.)

You'd be surprised by how many people (non-smokers especially) can smell that smoke from great distances, or from cars on the street with their windows down.

You might not be surprised at how many people write that "ability" off as psychosematic. You might not be surprised at how many people believe that by people are faking the gaggin, and don't realize that the wind can and has changed directions.


...your post starts off extremely confrontational...

Who is he confronting, by way of this post?


Some will see you as an adversary that is a selfish pr&*% that only cares about themselves.

True. Those would probably be smoker sympathizers.


I usually extend a wish that someone not smoke for their health reasons, rather then mine.

I don't waste time with that tactic. It only works on those who would have likely honored the requests of Buzz's neighbors in the first place. More likely is one to get the response "It's my health, I'll do the worryin' around here, Babalooie!"

I don't care if the smoker wants to seal him or herself in a giant ZipLock bag. No problem. But I have no problem being a selfish prick where my health is concerned. I don't need somebody risking it for me.

The same feeling would apply if this neighbor were playing music too loud, parking where he shouldn't, etc. Complainers could be call SPs by sympathizers. So what.

Several neighbors have already asked him to refrain, and when asked, he simply walks a building, or two, away for the time being. Given the hot weather lately, everybody has their windows open, and when new guy insists on sticking close to the buildings to smoke (and talk), it is very annoying. He has sufficiently proven his selfishness in the short time he has been here; how do we get him to be more considerate, after he's already been asked dozens of times?


It seems that the SP has been "confronted" already, to little or no avail. At this point, I would not presume him to be a decent guy or that any "caring" would improve Buzz's situation.

Reading the lease and contacting the property management seems to be the only and best recourse at this point.




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Posted by: billb
Date: August 05, 2006 09:33AM
Don't do the adhesive labael thing, you could end up paying to paint his car plus damages. You're not going to teach him anything.
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Re: New neighbor smokes, how to best deal w/ this selfish pr!ck?
Posted by: bfd
Date: August 05, 2006 11:00AM
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PeterB
Cell phone jammers are illegal in this country... unfortunately. I'd like to see the law change on this one.

Cell phone jammers aren't illegal. Using a cell-phone jammer is, and the FCC fine is something like $11,000.

There is no evidence that FCC has ever caught or fined anyone for the use of a cell-phone jammer.

YMMV
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Re: New neighbor smokes, how to best deal w/ this selfish pr!ck?
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: August 05, 2006 12:08PM
>I don't care if the smoker wants to seal him or herself in a giant ZipLock bag.

They would never do that because they would have to breath second hand smoke.
That's why they always ride around with the window down, that and they think
other people won't smell it on them if they keep the window cracked. Nothing
grosses me out more than to see a really nice or classy looking woman smoking,
huge turn-off for me!

OT: Ever see some 70 yo woman driving, talking and smoking
at the same time and the cigarette is just bouncing up down
like crazy? I laugh everytime I see it.

We were at a county fair many years ago and we were near the kiddie rides
with my kids and nephew, there was a set of race cars that went around in a
circle real slow. About that time I happen to be looking directly at this ol'
woman that had one of those extra longs in her mouth and she looks at her
daughter and says, "Put him in the Dale Earnhart Car!" My wife and I both about
cracked up. That cigarette was bobbing like a conductors baton to every word
she said. I think I'll remember that moment until I die.

BTW: There was already two kids in that car but they crammed him in there anyway, it was made for two.



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Posted by: billb
Date: August 05, 2006 12:30PM
FCC doesn't have the man-power to enforce it.
Listening to cell phone conversations isn't illegal either. Neither is possession of a receiver to listen in.
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(You'd be surprised how many people start gagging when they see someone smoking and the wind is blowing the other way.)

You'd be surprised by how many people (non-smokers especially) can smell that smoke from great distances, or from cars on the street with their windows down.
>>{b] I'm one of them, no surprise there.{/b]
You might not be surprised at how many people write that "ability" off as psychosematic. You might not be surprised at how many people believe that by people are faking the gaggin, and don't realize that the wind can and has changed directions.
My own Mom is one of many of those people who start gagging and having reactions to just the sight of someone smoking. EVEN SOMEONE ON TV. If cigarette smoke bothered me as much as it did her, I might even react the same way.

...your post starts off extremely confrontational...

Who is he confronting, by way of this post?
the new neighbor he's all ready decided is a selfish pr!ck. You didn't read the subject line ? He then goes on to claim he's all ready confronted the neighbor with his concerns.


Some will see you as an adversary that is a selfish pr&*% that only cares about themselves.

True. Those would probably be smoker sympathizers.
empathizers, it gets you a lot further in life


I usually extend a wish that someone not smoke for their health reasons, rather then mine.

I don't waste time with that tactic. It only works on those who would have likely honored the requests of Buzz's neighbors in the first place. More likely is one to get the response "It's my health, I'll do the worryin' around here, Babalooie!"

I don't care if the smoker wants to seal him or herself in a giant ZipLock bag. No problem. But I have no problem being a selfish prick where my health is concerned. I don't need somebody risking it for me.

The same feeling would apply if this neighbor were playing music too loud, parking where he shouldn't, etc. Complainers could be call SPs by sympathizers. So what.

Several neighbors have already asked him to refrain, and when asked, he simply walks a building, or two, away for the time being. Given the hot weather lately, everybody has their windows open, and when new guy insists on sticking close to the buildings to smoke (and talk), it is very annoying. He has sufficiently proven his selfishness in the short time he has been here; how do we get him to be more considerate, after he's already been asked dozens of times?


It seems that the SP has been "confronted" already, to little or
it seems you've found the answer to an earlier question
no avail. At this point, I would not presume him to be a decent guy or that any "caring" would improve Buzz's situation.

Reading the lease and contacting the property management seems to be the only and best recourse at this point.


Doctors try "tough love" including refusing care and treatment to those that smoke. It doesn't work.
So do Dentists.
Parents try it with kids , it rarely works. They sure do think they've fooled you into thinking it has though.

Pam's method works. It takes a LOT more effort and patience. Deep grasp of what compassion is and its value.
When you get phone calls 15 years later from an ex-employee who's finally quit successfully, and the phone call is only to tell you they've quit and stayed quit for the last 6 months , nothing else, I take the 4 or 5 minutes for the pat on the back they've called for.
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Posted by: PeterB
Date: August 05, 2006 12:56PM
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bfd
There is no evidence that FCC has ever caught or fined anyone for the use of a cell-phone jammer.

YMMV

True, but do you want to be the first one to get a fine?

(Keep in mind: I am ALL in favor of jammers, and I happen to think the law is wrong on this one and needs to be changed. I'm just making the point that if you get caught using one, the consequences can be severe.)




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Re: New neighbor smokes, how to best deal w/ this selfish pr!ck?
Posted by: Pam
Date: August 05, 2006 12:59PM
My point was to give the guy the benefit of the doubt rather than attack him. I've lived in townhouses for over 20 years and pretty much everytime one is sold and the new owner moves in, something happens. If they are attacked under the assumption that they already can read everyone's minds and are just being jerks it just makes everyone miserable. If someone approaches them and explains things nonjudgementally usually everything works out fine. There are always exceptions but most people have no idea how their behavior is affecting everyone else or to what degree.

Personally I'd much rather have someone approach me to clue me in on what I am doing to annoy others rather than have folks make all kinds of assumptions and basically attack me. That would really piss me off. And I think you should treat others as you wish to be treated. If the guy doesn't respond to reasonable requests, then he's an ass and have at it.
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Posted by: kap
Date: August 05, 2006 07:12PM
I'd take Pam's suggestion.
I think non-smokers are more sensitive to smoke hence they pick up the odor rather easily. I don't drink nor eat salt much so I can pick up the alcohol and saltiness even with a miniscule quantity. Of course, my drinking and salty food eating friends think I am some kind of paranoid.



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Posted by: Grateful11
Date: August 05, 2006 08:27PM
Quote
kap
I'd take Pam's suggestion.
I think non-smokers are more sensitive to smoke hence they pick up the odor rather easily. I don't drink nor eat salt much so I can pick up the alcohol and saltiness even with a miniscule quantity. Of course, my drinking and salty food eating friends think I am some kind of paranoid.

I'm with you on that Kap. Due to Meniere's I'm limited to 2000mg of sodium/day. I
never add salt to anything anymore. Canned soups are the worst, it's very hard for
me to eat any kind of canned soup, the amount of salt in a can of soup is
horrendous. Salted potato chips and pretzels, man what can I say. I have been
known to flick all the salt granules off of pretzels and sometimes they're still too
salty. I'm blown away by the number of people that salt their entire plate of food
even before tasting it.



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Posted by: kap
Date: August 05, 2006 08:39PM
Gatefull11,
I have personally witness a guy in his mid 50s pouring 2/3 of salt from the table salt shaker onto his medium sized steak! He's been doing that for years. He's still around.



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Re: New neighbor smokes, how to best deal w/ this selfish pr!ck?
Posted by: Buzz
Date: August 05, 2006 11:05PM
wow, a few more responses than expected... thanks all!

first, new guy has been around only a few weeks, and his roomie gal has been around here less than a year; they're the newbies in this locale. the last gal that moved in here was fifteen years ago; a year and half later she became Mrs. Buzz. not much turnover around here; I've been here nearly 30 years. newbies therefore pay the most of anybody here. landlord, while decent guy, is hands off, so this would be management co. issue, but frankly, I don't see getting much traction from that direction.

at least half a dozen neighbors have asked new guy several times to amend his activities to be more accomomdating, and the fleeting relief has been temporary, at best. if he's not a selfish pr!ck, then he's dumber than stump not to understand that his continued misbehavior is being found offensive by all of his neighbors; or maybe it's just both. so, Pam, while I appreciate your input, new guy has already been treated respectfully, but has willfully moved into the "ass" category you describe, which is what drove me to post in the first place.

the sticker thing was meant for the windshield, not any painted part of his car; I'm not suggesting anything criminal, just a persistent reminder for him that is only intended to remain as persistent as his misbehavior. thanks again for the follow up here.



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Posted by: BigGuynRusty
Date: August 05, 2006 11:26PM
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Buzz
wow, a few more responses than expected... thanks all!

first, new guy has been around only a few weeks, and his roomie gal has been around here less than a year; they're the newbies in this locale. the last gal that moved in here was fifteen years ago; a year and half later she became Mrs. Buzz. not much turnover around here; I've been here nearly 30 years. newbies therefore pay the most of anybody here. landlord, while decent guy, is hands off, so this would be management co. issue, but frankly, I don't see getting much traction from that direction.

at least half a dozen neighbors have asked new guy several times to amend his activities to be more accomomdating, and the fleeting relief has been temporary, at best. if he's not a selfish pr!ck, then he's dumber than stump not to understand that his continued misbehavior is being found offensive by all of his neighbors; or maybe it's just both. so, Pam, while I appreciate your input, new guy has already been treated respectfully, but has willfully moved into the "ass" category you describe, which is what drove me to post in the first place.

the sticker thing was meant for the windshield, not any painted part of his car; I'm not suggesting anything criminal, just a persistent reminder for him that is only intended to remain as persistent as his misbehavior. thanks again for the follow up here.

Wow!
Kinda narrow minded.
I am reading your post and I am wondering how long it is gonna be before the tire slashing, and the lynching party to begin. If it is really against the rules, then have the rules enforced.
Is this another of your stories?

BGnR



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Posted by: h'
Date: August 06, 2006 01:16AM
I thought billb's post was the most reasonable in this thread.
How bizarre that you should choose to tear it to shreds piece by piece.
BTW soma=body==> pyschosOmatic.


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RAMd®d
(You'd be surprised how many people start gagging when they see someone smoking and the wind is blowing the other way.)

You'd be surprised by how many people (non-smokers especially) can smell that smoke from great distances, or from cars on the street with their windows down.

You might not be surprised at how many people write that "ability" off as psychosematic. You might not be surprised at how many people believe that by people are faking the gaggin, and don't realize that the wind can and has changed directions.


...your post starts off extremely confrontational...

Who is he confronting, by way of this post?



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Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: August 06, 2006 03:35AM
You didn't read the subject line ?

I did. You are confused and don't understand context. You said "your post starts off extremely confrontational", but who is the "post" confronting? Nobody. Buzz is obviously upset, but he's confronting nobody, just providing background and asking advice, via post. You're somehow inferring confrontation.


He then goes on to claim he's all ready confronted the neighbor with his concerns.

He does? Where is that stated? Again, you assumed, inferred, or misread. He may have, but that wasn't his claim.


empathizers, it gets you a lot further in life

No, "sympathizers" was accurate for my purposes. This applies to those who are not smokers as well as those who are.


it seems you've found the answer to an earlier question

Again, you've come to an incorrect conclusion. See above.


Doctors try "tough love" including refusing care and treatment to those that smoke. It doesn't work.
So do Dentists.
Parents try it with kids , it rarely works. They sure do think they've fooled you into thinking it has though.


Ok. But for Buzz, this isn't a matter of "tough love". It's not up to him or the other tenants to provide care and treatment to those who smoke. The guy isn't Buzz's patient or child.

Compassion and consideration for others is a good thing. SP is considerate enough not to smoke in his roommate's abode. I don't know if compassion has anything to do with it, or what his specific considerations are. But he doesn't seem to be extending like consideration to his neighbors.


Pam's method works. It takes a LOT more effort and patience.

Well, it certainly *can* work, in appropriate circumstances. *IF* the guy is considerate, a kind word could/should have done the trick. According to Buzz, the guy has moved into another category.

If Buzz was dealing with a family member or good friend, maybe long term effort and patience would be in order. This is a tenant.

- - - -

I thought billb's post was the most reasonable in this thread.

Of course you did. We disagree.


How bizarre that you should choose to tear it to shreds piece by piece.

I disagreed with much of his interpretation of and response to Buzz's post, and posted my opinion to some points. How bizarre that you chose to try to characterize and spin that as "tearing it to shreds, piece by piece".

Don't be such a drama queen.


BTW soma=body==> pyschosOmatic.

You found a mistake. I always appreciate constructive edification.

- - - - -

Buzz, sorry to hear that the manager and management company will be of little or no help.

Leaving notes under the windshield wiper probably won't accomplish much at this point, but adhesive stickers (even on the windshield) may be vandalism, in your area.

Fighting fire with fire isn't usually productive, and is rarely constructive.

My last suggestion would be to have upset neighbors write the company, via Certified Mail. Staying on the backs of the management company looks like your best bet. This assumes you know that he is in fact violating a smoke-free zone.

Or you could pay small children to approach him and sweetly sing "You're killing yourself with your smoking, la la lala la!"

If that doesn't work, they could run around, surrounding him screaming and shrieking "You're killing us with your smoking! We want to live! We want to live!" every time they see him.

Oh, and call a local news film crew.




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When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

Everybody matters or nobody matters.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

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Re: New neighbor smokes, how to best deal w/ this selfish pr!ck?
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: August 06, 2006 09:47AM




this is my solutions to all things cell phone related. might help him stop smoking, too.
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Re: New neighbor smokes, how to best deal w/ this selfish pr!ck?
Posted by: Buzz
Date: August 06, 2006 12:36PM
the no smoking signs, while small, are clearly visible and certainly known to new guy; they have been pointed out to him, and he has been reminded dozens of times. the "no loud noise please" sign, while singular, is large and posted at eye level about eight feet from where new guy parks, so that he can't miss it when he comes and goes, and has been there for about 20 years.

I have no desire to be confrontational, or adversarial, nor do I believe do the other neighbors; the other neighbors and I merely want to live as comfortably as we did before chick on lease swapped roommates. we have all been cordial to new guy, and asked him nicely, albeit repetitively, essentially to be as cordial and nice in return with regard to his following the local rules just like everyone else does around here.

if you interpreted this thread as being confrontational, that certainly wasn't my intent; I am looking for reasonable solutions. addressing new guy as a selfish pr!ck in the context of this thread is simply my opinion of him based on his ongoing misbehavior in the face of several neighbors and family members having asked him nicely (and repeatedly) to curtail it.

btw, mrbigstuff, I like it! :-) ... where can I order a dozen?



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Re: New neighbor smokes, how to best deal w/ this selfish pr!ck?
Posted by: BigGuynRusty
Date: August 06, 2006 01:04PM
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Buzz
the no smoking signs, while small, are clearly visible and certainly known to new guy; they have been pointed out to him, and he has been reminded dozens of times. the "no loud noise please" sign, while singular, is large and posted at eye level about eight feet from where new guy parks, so that he can't miss it when he comes and goes, and has been there for about 20 years.

I have no desire to be confrontational, or adversarial, nor do I believe do the other neighbors; the other neighbors and I merely want to live as comfortably as we did before chick on lease swapped roommates. we have all been cordial to new guy, and asked him nicely, albeit repetitively, essentially to be as cordial and nice in return with regard to his following the local rules just like everyone else does around here.

if you interpreted this thread as being confrontational, that certainly wasn't my intent; I am looking for reasonable solutions. addressing new guy as a selfish pr!ck in the context of this thread is simply my opinion of him based on his ongoing misbehavior in the face of several neighbors and family members having asked him nicely (and repeatedly) to curtail it.

Were these signs installed by the Management, or just self-appointed "Block Capatains"?
If by management, the write them a nice letter, send by registered mail.
If by the self-appolnted "Block Captains", I hope "Mr. Pr!ck" pulls them down.
I lived in one of those buildings for two years, nothing but a living hell. I am a very quiet person, very easy to get along with. I didn't attend their monthly meetings, that set them off from the beginning.
I asked the neighbor to please not park his monster SUV halfway in my parking spot, he said he had permission from the "Block Captain".
Same thing with the loud parties, it was A-OK as long as "Block Captain" got invited.
He did the sticker thing also, public parking in front of the units got a huge 8"X11" "RESERVED PARKING" sticker slapped on it if the vehicle wasn't "Block Captain" approved.
A good friend of mine stopped by one night, parked on the street in front oif the units, got stickered. You don't do that sorta crap, especially when the person you sticker is a detective with the Glendale PD. He caught the "Block Captain's" ten year-old son stickering a car about a week later. The son said his daddy said to do it, the coward denied everything.
Mr "Block Captain" got arrested for slashing some tires, then later arrested for theft. Couldn't happen to a better guy.

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