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OT: Weird Subject, Pain
Posted by: Surfrider
Date: November 03, 2012 11:26AM
Hi everyone, I'm 61 male and have lots of odd and assorted pains.

Thumb, shoulder, back, knees, etc, not all the time for all of them but at least one at a time.

I take Glucosamine, Flax Oil and Ibuprophin.

I can function, go to work, etc. But it's no fun sometimes.

Worse, even with Ambien and Melatinin, I wake up 5-8 times a night.

Feel like crap most days.

Anyone else?
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Re: OT: Weird Subject, Pain
Posted by: Pam
Date: November 03, 2012 11:29AM
Funny, I get muscle pain from eating the wrong foods. In my case gluten and even some of the gluten free flours do it.

Do you exercise? Stretch?
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Re: OT: Weird Subject, Pain
Posted by: lost in space
Date: November 03, 2012 11:49AM
Surfrider,

I feel your pain. Really.

Cutting way back on gluten intake helped a lot with bad headaches I used to get, which I now believe were sinus reactions to gluten. I'm not entirely gluten-free, just greatly reduced. Ironically, whole wheat anything was the worst, and I ate a lot of it. If I have toast in the morning, I eat sourdough. Overall body aches improved too.

The other miscellaneous pains all over were happening at two places at once sometimes, often on the same side, like a shooting pain in my left hip and knee at the same instant, so I started getting chiropractic adjustments. Those pains are much reduced if I see my massage person and, a few days later, my chiropractor, about once a month. My hand and finger joint pains I think are from too many birthdays, I think. Not much I can do about that but to keep them moving.

Looking back, I can empathize with my old relatives who used to sit around and talk about aches and pains at family gatherings when I was a kid. Now we can do it on the internets!
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Re: OT: Weird Subject, Pain
Posted by: Manlove
Date: November 03, 2012 11:50AM
Same same Surfrider. I put most of it down to abuse. Physical and mental abuse of me by me.
Do you want a list of the present afflictions?
Nah. But suffice to say there are half a dozen, or so, none of which has me limping to the ER, but if tv ads are anything to go by I should be taking half a dozen different drugs and be seeing my doctor more frequently than my wife! (I don't have a doctor because I have no insurance, but I do have a wife)

Funnily enough, as Pam mentioned, many of the pains dissipate the more I move...maybe I just don't notice them when I'm not static or maybe they really are lessened, but moving really helps. Just not the sort of violent movement that caused most of them to begin with.
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Re: OT: Weird Subject, Pain
Posted by: M>B>
Date: November 03, 2012 11:54AM
Ibuprofen is not without it's own problems...

[en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: OT: Weird Subject, Pain
Posted by: Drew
Date: November 03, 2012 12:43PM
For the sleep problem, check for sleep apnea. I have it and used to get up several times a night to use the bathroom. I thought that it was a prostate gland or urinary type of problem. Actually, I was waking myself up from the apnea and the brain sent signals to the bladder to empty because it thought it was time to get up. Went to a sleep specialist and did a simple test at home. Now I use a CPAP machine, which has helped greatly.
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Re: OT: Weird Subject, Pain
Posted by: lazydays
Date: November 03, 2012 02:00PM
I'm 42 and suffer from a great deal of pain, enough to be on vicodin around the clock. For me I think the two things that make it worse are alcohol and carrying extra weight. Lack of exercise (motion) also makes any kind of arthritis pain worse.

I'm obviously not a doctor and I don't know your situation but for me I've found two things that are allowing me to resume fairly normal activities such as walking. One is a drug that blocks nerve pain and the other is epidural steroid injections at key locations. Both come with their own side effects but being able to walk again is fantastic.

You should talk to your doctor. It sounds like an arthritis issue and a visit to a specialist may be in order.
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Re: OT: Weird Subject, Pain
Posted by: Surfrider
Date: November 03, 2012 02:21PM
I do Yoga and orbital running every day.

Had Chiro care for years, he taught me a lot.

My doc is saying a lot of it is joint wear and tear from surfing and skateboarding. But he also says some is "nerve pain".

I had an epidural around Labor Day (thank God the injection wasn't from that place in NH), but that's not helping too much.

I had a couple of sleep studies, boy do I hate them, never sleep much, thus the results are "inconclusive". I may try that again I don't know.

I'm just grumpy and want to know if I'm alone in my ordeal!
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Re: OT: Weird Subject, Pain
Posted by: Black
Date: November 03, 2012 02:24PM
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M>B>
Ibuprofen is not without it's own problems...

[en.wikipedia.org]

Agree... should not be used as primary/ long term management IMO.
If you have no history of heart problems you might want to ask about Celebrex.

Which Glucosamine do you take? I tried Trader Joe's for a while and went downhill... not all are created equal.

I'll add this to the mix of random advice: I personally have found that diet pop can make me achy for a day or two, so I avoid artificial sweetener like the plague.




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Re: OT: Weird Subject, Pain
Posted by: dad@home
Date: November 03, 2012 03:32PM
I'm an Anesthesiologist who does some work in chronic pain.

First your sleep needs to be addressed. You may have obstructive sleep apnea. Are you overweigh?. Do you snore? Are you sleepy during the day? Are you hypertensive? You may need a sleep study and a CPAP mask (I know I use one) a lot more than a sleep aid.
Next your pain Meds. If ibuprofen work for you....great. Don't go over the max does (1800-2400mg a day) less with stomach upset. Avoid if kidney probs or bleeding probs.
Ambien is a very short acting hypnotic related to the benzodiazepines. Ambien CR lasts longer but neither type has any benefits for pain. I avoid these like the plague for the "elderly" ( I'm sorry.... You are knocking at the door). Best bet would be "older" sedating antidepressants in teenie doses. They have a really nice effect lessening chronic pain of all types by up to 20%. Two examples are amitrityline or trazodone.

Best advice I can give you is SEE YOUR DOCTOR

Best of luck. John



For some must watch, while some must sleep
So runs the world away
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Re: OT: Weird Subject, Pain
Posted by: btfc
Date: November 03, 2012 03:57PM
[www.webmd.com]

"Five studies, published in peer-reviewed medical journals, show the value of marijuana for pain-related conditions, the researchers say in the report.
Smoked cannabis reduced pain in HIV patients. In one study, 50 patients assigned either to cannabis or placebo finished the study. Although 52% of those who smoked marijuana had a 30% or more reduction in pain intensity, just 24% of those in the placebo group did. The study is published in the journal Neurology. In another study, 28 HIV patients were assigned to either marijuana or placebo -- and 46% of pot smokers compared to 18% of the placebo group reported 30% or more pain relief. That study is in Neuropsychopharmacology.
Marijuana helped reduce pain in people suffering spinal cord injury and other conditions. In this study, 38 patients smoked either high-dose or low-dose marijuana; 32 finished all three sessions. Both doses reduced neuropathic pain from different causes. Results appear in the Journal of Pain.
Medium doses of marijuana can reduce pain perception, another study found. Fifteen healthy volunteers smoked a low, medium, or high dose of marijuana to see if it could counteract the pain produced by an injection of capsaicin, the ''hot'' ingredient in chili "

Just sayin!
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Re: OT: Weird Subject, Pain
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: November 03, 2012 05:04PM
Suffering again right now from a pinched nerve in my shoulder. It's a recurring problem, not frequent thankfully. This is the worst it's ever been. I set it off during a hellish long weekend cleaning out two apartments singlehanded, sleeping on the floor, and then topping it off by hauling two fifty pound suitcases around a huge airport and sitting up all night in a chair waiting for my flight.

Aspirin has helped some. No insurance, tried but couldn't keep up with the premiums after I got cut back to part time at work (Still looking for both a new and a second job), so no doctor. The pain was so bad this afternoon I was rummaging through the medicine cabinet to see if an old bottle of Vicoden was still there from a dental procedure. No luck, so I finally just forced myself to go to sleep. Not easy, but I seem to be over the spike in pain that was going on.

Here's wishing everybody out there good luck in dealing with their situation.
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Re: OT: Weird Subject, Pain
Posted by: Manlove
Date: November 03, 2012 06:30PM
This whole no doctor thing sucks. I feel your pain Blankity Blank. It's not easy to distinguish pain that might be a symptom of something serious from the general background ole aches and pains.
I have a lump on my ribs near my sternum that I've not had diagnosed by a doctor yet. It's been there for a year or so and I'm not dead, so I guess it's just a lump, but not knowing is annoying.
Best wishes to all who don't have full medical coverage to see the doctor for every twinge.
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Re: OT: Weird Subject, Pain
Posted by: Speedy
Date: November 03, 2012 09:40PM
I'm 62 and aches and pains go hand in hand with becoming elderly. I still jog and walk 2.8 miles a handful of days a week as long as I can keep the aches to a minimum. I could avoid the pain if I stopped exercising but likely I'd have other health problems if I quit.

Things will get worse but it beats the alternative.



Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
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Re: OT: Weird Subject, Pain
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: November 04, 2012 12:19AM
I had good luck with (some) chiropractors for pinched nerves and neck and back pain.

I've traced some general or joint pain to certain foods or mold.
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