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Older Mac comparisons?
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: November 05, 2012 10:35AM
My office Mac Pro has reached the end of its OS support from Apple (MacPro 1,1 = 10.7.4 max.)

Company won't pony up for a new Mac, but has offered me the newer MacBook Pro left by an employee who's moved on to greener pastures.

I'd like to be able to determine what performance I would be losing, if any, in such a swap made to have the ability to upgrade OSs as they move forward*.

Ideally, there'd be some web site where one could plug in specs and have it generate side-by-side performance comparisons.

MacPro:
- Model 1,1 (first generation)
- Dual-Core Xeon, 2.66 GHz, 2 processors, 4 cores
- L2 Cache 4 MB
- RAM 8 MB
- Bus speed 1.33 GHz

MacBook Pro:
- Model 5,4 (mid-2009)
- Dual-Core Penryn, 2.53 GHz, 1 processor, 2 cores
- L2 Cache 3 MB shared
- RAM 8 MB
- Bus speed 1.066 GHz

On the surface, it would appear that the laptop would be noticeably slower than the desktop, but I don't know if the three-year-newer processor in the laptop would make up for any of the losses.

*Not dealing with video/graphics issues at this point, as I don't know what second monitor would be hooked up to the MacBook Pro.
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Re: Older Mac comparisons?
Posted by: DRR
Date: November 05, 2012 10:47AM
First, it depends on what you're doing with it. If you're not using any multicore aware apps heavily, you probably wouldn't see much performance loss. OSX uses multiple cores but for normal OS functions, going from 2 cores to 4 cores isn't going to make a huge difference.

I assume you mean 8 GB of RAM for each system.

My opinion is, take the laptop for portability and since it's not a huge loss of performance. Add an SSD to it and it'll feel snappier than the Mac Pro (assuming no SSD there) instantly.
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Re: Older Mac comparisons?
Posted by: DRR
Date: November 05, 2012 11:02AM
To answer your original question, I suppose you could browse geekbench submissions to give you a general idea of the performance capabilities of each machine. But I think too many people get hung up in statistical comparisons so, I take those sites with a grain of salt.
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Re: Older Mac comparisons?
Posted by: mrlynn
Date: November 05, 2012 11:30AM
Is the ability to run Mountain Lion and successors very important? A lot of folks here prefer Snow Leopard.

Then are there other criteria besides speed—portability, expandability, etc.? How big are the respective drives?

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Re: Older Mac comparisons?
Posted by: hal
Date: November 05, 2012 12:14PM
The MP destroys the MBP in every aspect of performance...

Do you NEED to run 10.8? If not, there is still a lot of life left in that MP. It can take up to 32GB of RAM, can take a 1TB video card and can be stuffed to the gills with HDDs and SSDs...

but by all means, take the laptop too...
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Re: Older Mac comparisons?
Posted by: rz
Date: November 05, 2012 01:33PM
If I had to make the decision, I'd keep the Mac Pro.
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Re: Older Mac comparisons?
Posted by: decay
Date: November 05, 2012 01:42PM
see if they'll spring for an SSD boot drive.



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Re: Older Mac comparisons?
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: November 05, 2012 02:16PM
Again, it depends on what you do. What do you use it for?

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hal
The MP destroys the MBP in every aspect of performance...

Not true.
C2D 1913 [cpubenchmark.net]
Xeon 1730 [www.cpubenchmark.net]
A lot of apps are not multicore aware. So the extra cores aren't going to help in a lot of circumstances.

MBP video 131 [www.videocardbenchmark.net]
MP video 102 [www.videocardbenchmark.net]
A lot of apps push off tasks to the GPU, when they can.

It goes back to what the user is doing with the machine. I'd want at least 8GB of RAM. If one has only 4GB and the other 8GB, then that may be the difference. Drive speed is also a big difference. If one only does 30MB/s, and another 100MB/s, that will likely make a huge impact.




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Re: Older Mac comparisons?
Posted by: hal
Date: November 05, 2012 02:57PM
I've used both machines and the difference is like night and day... The benchmarks are clearly wrong - that is to say that the numbers don't reflect reality... True many apps won't address more than one processor, but on a MP you have four processors - one app can peg one processor 100% and there are still three more. So if you are going to be multitasking, more processors are very helpful.

AND the MP can be SERIOUSLY upgraded...

And where is the stock hard drive comparison?

I've used both of these machines in highly upgraded configs and there is no contest...

Maybe in stock configs using only TextEdit the experiences on the two machines would be similar, but that's about it...
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Re: Older Mac comparisons?
Posted by: Speedy
Date: November 05, 2012 07:41PM
[browser.primatelabs.com]



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Re: Older Mac comparisons?
Posted by: kj4btkljv
Date: November 06, 2012 10:00AM
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decay
see if they'll spring for an SSD boot drive.

And 3 (three) - 10K RPM Velociraptor 600GB SATA drives for the other three empty drive bays. You know, for lots of fast data storage.

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Re: Older Mac comparisons?
Posted by: kj4btkljv
Date: November 06, 2012 10:02AM
Oh, and roll that Mac Pro back to OS 10.6.8, it's Apple's version of XP, after all.

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Re: Older Mac comparisons?
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: November 06, 2012 03:02PM
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Speedy
[browser.primatelabs.com]

Thanks! Just the kind of ballpark estimates I was looking for.

The MacBook Pro in question really does appear to be a big step back in performance.

Maybe I'll hang on to the first generation MacPro until it dies (or I do.) old fogey smiley
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