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Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: August 20, 2006 12:22AM
I've read that MacBook's allow you to password protect any unauthorized disk initialization via a firmware password - does this work for macBook Pros as well?



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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: elmo3
Date: August 20, 2006 12:42AM
gee, what does Apple say in their web site?



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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: Racer X
Date: August 20, 2006 01:16AM
I read that is said you can't make lemonaid without E L M O.



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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: August 20, 2006 03:25AM
LMAO!



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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: Racer X
Date: August 20, 2006 03:27AM
I have permission to use that quote BTW. I feel it is important to give credit for a work of pure genius.
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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: elmo3
Date: August 20, 2006 06:02AM
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Jerry®
I've read that MacBook's allow you to password protect any unauthorized disk initialization via a firmware password - does this work for macBook Pros as well?

gee, what does Apple say in their web site?

Or do you just skip that whole product documentation thing and come to places like this, expecting that it's your right to have the answers spoon-fed to you?



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In the words of DharmaDog: "it may or may not be utter horse@#$%&, but it shouldn't be dismissed simply because it doesn't agree with your opinion."

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: Tofer
Date: August 20, 2006 07:16AM
Check this out, and consider filevault, too:

[macosx.com]

-Tofer
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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: PeterB
Date: August 20, 2006 07:31AM
I, for one, am FIRMLY in favor of spoon-feeding. And spoons. And using spoons to drain the ocean. [forums.macresource.com] And of course, spooning. Actually, pretty much anything spoon-related. Spoon, spoon, spoon, spoon!

Errr, what was the question again?




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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: Kiva
Date: August 20, 2006 12:10PM
it's beginning to amaze me how a few people on this board are such d!cks. Step out of your narcissism for a minute and realize that (1) some people may not have the ability/knowledge to find answers quickly and (2) sometimes it's more *enjoyable* to post them here...it even provides a quick reference for others seeking out that information (when they do a forum search).

Nobody said you had to post to the thread...you don't like the question, crawl back into your little myopic hole and insult somebody else.

kiva



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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: Polyester Bride
Date: August 20, 2006 12:15PM
As someone who works both in education and technology, elmo3, your arrogance is not just bothersome on a lack-of-decency level, but also on the people-hate-tech-support-because-of-ignorant-reponses-such-as-yours. If you aren't part of the solution, stay out of it.



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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: elmo3
Date: August 20, 2006 12:24PM
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Polyester Bride
As someone who works both in education and technology, elmo3, your arrogance is not just bothersome on a lack-of-decency level, but also on the people-hate-tech-support-because-of-ignorant-reponses-such-as-yours. If you aren't part of the solution, stay out of it.

You're in education, and you can't even write a proper sentence.

I'm not in education, therefore what you wrote doesn't make any sense. What you meant to say was, "As someone who works both in education and technology, I think your arrogance is not just bothersome..." The "I" that I used refers back to your "someone who works both in education and technology" phrase.

But the way you wrote it, you have elmo3 working in both education and technology. "As someone who works in education, your arrogance sucks". Well, I don't work in education. You do. So write it correctly next time, if you can.

I'm frightened for your students that you work in education and can't write a simple sentence.

As for people hating tech support, it's not because of answers like mine. If I called Apple for tech support on Windows, what answer do you think I'd get? Apple wouldn't answer me; they'd tell me to go to microsoft.com. Just because Windows can run on Macintosh hardware, doesn't mean Apple supports Windows.

Same here. Just because someone is too lazy to go to apple.com and look up some documentation doesn't mean that he should come here or anywhere else and have any expectation that he won't be blasted for being too lazy.

Don't give me that "some people don't know to go to the manufacturer to look it up," like what Kiva says. That's crap.

Education, huh. Man, oh man.



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Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Trying is the first step to failure. -- Homer Simpson
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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: Polyester Bride
Date: August 20, 2006 12:44PM
elmo3, while it would be entertaining to quibble with you over the use of commas, I'd rather suggest you look up the term "ad hominem." Perhaps a class in logic would calm you down.

Again, I suggest that if you don't wish to be part of a solution, stay out of it.



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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: elmo3
Date: August 20, 2006 12:55PM
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Polyester Bride
elmo3, while it would be entertaining to quibble with you over the use of commas, I'd rather suggest you look up the term "ad hominem." Perhaps a class in logic would calm you down.

Again, I suggest that if you don't wish to be part of a solution, stay out of it.

I know what ad hominem means.

I addressed your points. He shouldn't come here expecting to be spoon-fed, no matter what.

As for attacking you personally--well, you claimed to be in education, then wrote a very poor sentence. Don't put forth your credentials as being meaningful to your point and then expect people not to call you on it when your behavior belies your credentials.



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In the words of DharmaDog: "it may or may not be utter horse@#$%&, but it shouldn't be dismissed simply because it doesn't agree with your opinion."

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Trying is the first step to failure. -- Homer Simpson
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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: Polyester Bride
Date: August 20, 2006 01:22PM
My point regarding education and technology had nothing to do with my credentials. My point regarding education and technology was twofold:

1. Education is about helping people, not about shaming them.
2. Making people feel stupid is something that I see technologically saavy people do all the time (very often in educational environments). It does nothing to further anyone's growth.

While I appreciate your point on the appositional nature of my use of "elmo3," my assumption was that you would have understood that I was using it to address you and that my voice in the first phrase was implied. But you are correct, according to the rules of grammar, you are entirely correct. So allow me to try it again in a new sentence:

Elmo3, speaking as someone who works both in education and technology, I would like to tell you that your response to Jerry's question troubles me.

Rules and being right seem important to you. I have no problem with that. I only ask that you don't impose that kind of a focus on someone who is only seeking information in a way different from your own learning style.



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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: Kiva
Date: August 20, 2006 01:33PM
Elmo3: as a rule, in order to get a glimpse into one's psyche, one need only look at the way one deals and treats the outside world. A search for your name on this forum will yield time and time again that you shame and ridicule people on a regular basis. To those of us in the know, we actually have some empathy for you, as we realize that your inner world is one brimming with self-hate and devoid of compassion...and you will do anything to make sure nobody else sees that. Your main defense is to make sure everybody else feels the same way you do.

Now, you will likely make some snide remark about my analysis and conclusions. Only you will know how much truth it holds. In the empty, quiet moments, you have only yourself...nobody else to ridicule and shame. How painful that must be.

then again, if it isn't, then maybe you truly have a character disorder...they'll give anybody a login and pswd to an online forum...wouldn't be the first time.

So, I further maintain that there is absolutely *no* point to you ever posting to this thread. You just have this itch you have to scratch...i wonder from where it originates..?

Also, look at the respected members of this forum and how they are universally revered. PrON comes to mind. Perhaps you should do a search for his handle and see his pattern of dealing with people. You could learn something. However, you'd first have to embrace your self-hate....not sure if you could handle that.

kiva



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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: Silencio
Date: August 20, 2006 02:02PM
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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: bfd
Date: August 20, 2006 02:05PM
… back to the initial question … it's better in the long run to ignore the furry, little, red troll than to feed him.

[docs.info.apple.com]

… check and see if your computer is compatible with OFPP

Computers compatible with Open Firmware Password Protection

Use of the Open Firmware Password Protection and the Open Firmware Password application requires an Apple computer that works with Open Firmware 4.1.7 or 4.1.8 or later, depending on the computer. To determine which version of Open Firmware is installed on your computer, open the Apple System Profiler and see the Production Information section.
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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: Racer X
Date: August 20, 2006 02:45PM
Searching for a direct answer from Apple is difficult at best.

Try and find directions for bringing up the diagnostic menu on an iPod for example. diagnostic menu+iPod doesn't get you the info, therefore the search function isn't written well in my opinion..
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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: Silencio
Date: August 20, 2006 02:48PM
Intel Macs don't have Open Firmware, though. They use EFI. They must have an alternative to Open Firmware password there, but I've no clue how it's implemented.
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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: elmo3
Date: August 20, 2006 02:49PM
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Kiva
Elmo3: as a rule, in order to get a glimpse into one's psyche, one need only look at the way one deals and treats the outside world.

OK...


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A search for your name on this forum will yield time and time again that you shame and ridicule people on a regular basis.

I thought you said "the outside world". What this forum has to do with me relating to "the outside world," I have no idea.

Are you saying that this forum is "the outside world"? Well, maybe for some people it is; for some people, as we know, it quite literally is their ONLY outside world. But overall, it isn't.

It's quite fallacious to take what you see here and extrapolate that into "looking at how one deals with the outside world".

You might also check out what some of the folks in this "real world" of yours have to say:

[forums.macresource.com]


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To those of us in the know, we actually have some empathy for you, as we realize that your inner world is one brimming with self-hate and devoid of compassion...and you will do anything to make sure nobody else sees that. Your main defense is to make sure everybody else feels the same way you do.

Please show everyone your degree in counseling psychology.

Go ahead, we'll wait. For a minute or two, anyway.

Oh, you don't have one. Well, now we can consider the source of your rant. It's ignorance.



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Now, you will likely make some snide remark about my analysis and conclusions. Only you will know how much truth it holds.

no, the whole world does.

I bet you also did engineering consulting down in New Orleans on the side.


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In the empty, quiet moments, you have only yourself...nobody else to ridicule and shame. How painful that must be.

So now you know details about my personal life? Wow...and to think, you'd be the first to admit you've never met me.

Your qualifications to make the statements you make become clearer and clearer. That is to say, none.



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So, I further maintain that there is absolutely *no* point to you ever posting to this thread.

The "point" was to "point" out where Jerry® can get the information he needs--the direct information, straight from the horse's mouth, without being interpreted like a game of telephone by random people on this forum, and without bothering to ask people here to spoon feed him.

You got a problem with that? He gains the REAL information he needs.



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Also, look at the respected members of this forum

See above. You can't take your opinion and project it to everyone else here. When prompted, many admit that they respect me.

You may not like that, but don't worry--I won't let you forget it. Tough.



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and how they are universally revered. PrON comes to mind. Perhaps you should do a search for his handle and see his pattern of dealing with people.

I don't really care how he, your, or anyone else deals with people on this forum. If you don't like me (how could you; you don't even know me) or how I handle things here, you could always start your own forum.

Oh--but that would take initiative on your part. Probably would never happen.


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You could learn something. However, you'd first have to embrace your self-hate....not sure if you could handle that.

buddy, we're still waiting to see that degree of yours in counseling psychology.

It's amazing how the self-righteous among you are so anxious to judge that you'd pull bogus armchair pop psych out of thin air.



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Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: BigGuynRusty
Date: August 20, 2006 03:01PM
Elmo3 Quote.:
"When prompted, many admit that they respect me."

LOL! Yeah, when prompted with a gun to their head!

E3's quote should read.:
"When prompted, many admit that they LOATHE me."

BGnR



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"If we dig precious things from the land, we will invite disaster."
"Near the day of Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky."
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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: elmo3
Date: August 20, 2006 03:10PM
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BigGuynRusty
Elmo3 Quote.:
"When prompted, many admit that they respect me."

LOL! Yeah, when prompted with a gun to their head!

YipYipYipYipYipYipYipYipYipYipYipYipYipYipYip

can't stop, can you.



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E3's quote should read.:
"When prompted, many admit that they LOATHE me."

BGnR

Which doesn't change the fact that when asked, many say they respect me.

What about that thread I mentioned above don't you comprehend?

[forums.macresource.com]

It's quite clear. But you don't like it, so you (a) ignore it, and (b) do everything you can to get others to ignore it.

Man, you spend a bunch of time and energy being a blowhard and chasing after those who expose the blowhard you are. Do you have a life? Oh--probably not. I wonder what your "wife"--er, "ex" wife--and your roommate would say about you.

Your world is teetering...



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In the words of DharmaDog: "it may or may not be utter horse@#$%&, but it shouldn't be dismissed simply because it doesn't agree with your opinion."

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Trying is the first step to failure. -- Homer Simpson
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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: BigGuynRusty
Date: August 20, 2006 03:12PM
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elmo3

LOL!

BGnR



"Good heavens, Miss Sakamoto! You're beautiful!"
"If we dig precious things from the land, we will invite disaster."
"Near the day of Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky."
"A container of ashes might one day be thrown from the sky, which could burn the land and boil the oceans."
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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: elmo3
Date: August 20, 2006 03:37PM
man, I bet your neighbors get frightened watching you...



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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: Kiva
Date: August 20, 2006 08:50PM
elmo: how would you like me to send you my info? Should I scan my 2 licenses and 2 credentials in psych? Email them? Perhaps a link to my license verification on the BBS?

I'm sorry, but you are outgunned here. You have proven my point: character disorder....you are truly sad..

kiva



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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: elmo3
Date: August 20, 2006 10:17PM
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Kiva
elmo: how would you like me to send you my info? Should I scan my 2 licenses and 2 credentials in psych? Email them? Perhaps a link to my license verification on the BBS?

I'm sorry, but you are outgunned here. You have proven my point: character disorder....you are truly sad..

kiva

You haven't proven anything, other than you can blow hard with people like BGnR. You're as full of $hit as he is, if not more.

If you have any credentials, AND you think you can evaluate people by the limited interaction you have with them on a board like this, your state licensing board should be notified so they can take your license away. You'd be a dangerous nut case.

But since you have no credentials and you're not licensed, it's a moot point.



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Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: Kiva
Date: August 21, 2006 01:30AM
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elmo3
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Kiva
elmo: how would you like me to send you my info? Should I scan my 2 licenses and 2 credentials in psych? Email them? Perhaps a link to my license verification on the BBS?

I'm sorry, but you are outgunned here. You have proven my point: character disorder....you are truly sad..

kiva

You haven't proven anything, other than you can blow hard with people like BGnR. You're as full of $hit as he is, if not more.

If you have any credentials, AND you think you can evaluate people by the limited interaction you have with them on a board like this, your state licensing board should be notified so they can take your license away. You'd be a dangerous nut case.

But since you have no credentials and you're not licensed, it's a moot point.

again, I ask...how do you want me to send the documents to you? Would you like some references? Actually, any therapist worth their salt can tell all they need to know within about 5 minutes. The details may be different for each person, but there are only a few variations on the core issues. I've had plenty of exposure to you to make a pretty good guess...the thing is, by definition, you can't understand any of this. Your problems are egosyntonic. That is, you don't know you have them and, actually, you think *everybody else* has the issues - not you. You see your obviously objectionable behavior as without fault. That is the core of a character disorder.

I leave open the possibility that you're just an extra big a-hole on an internet forum because your shame-filled inner self doesn't have to withstand the scrutiny of an actual human interaction with people you treat like crap - a situation in which you would either crumble or attempt to cause violence. Hence, you may be a bit different in person - not much, but, perhaps, just "elmo lite". However, i'm leaning toward character disorder..

Of course, you aren't even aware of your own need to control others Your original posting to this thread is an attempt to control others and brush away any reminder of the parts of you that you loathe. How Jerry comes upon his information is of no concern to you. You may try to create some rationalization as to why you've made it your business - but they're futile, at bet. You could have skipped the thread, but you didn't. You just had to engage. You had to see what you perceived as Jerry's ignorance and shame it and sweep it away. In doing so, you are advertising to the whole world how you treat yourself when you make mistakes. It's called the shadow. Jung wrote about it. Read up a little. Oh, but everybody else has the problem. Nobody has anything worthwhile to say but you. What a strange world to live in.

I thank you for the practice...I do this quite infrequently, but sometimes, it just needs to be done. At least, now, you know that we *all* know. Every single time you post your usual insults and shame-filled garbage, we can understand and know you for what you truly are.

kiva



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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: elmo3
Date: August 21, 2006 06:07AM
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Kiva

LOL!



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In the words of DharmaDog: "it may or may not be utter horse@#$%&, but it shouldn't be dismissed simply because it doesn't agree with your opinion."

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Trying is the first step to failure. -- Homer Simpson
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Re: Frimware password: work on MacBook PRO's as well?
Posted by: Kiva
Date: August 21, 2006 12:17PM
:-)



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