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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 10:57AM |
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 10:59AM |
My opinion on this:
1. We don't have the amount of traffic where splitting boards is needed
2. We don't have the features other forums have to allow multiple ways to surf a forum and ignore board/categories/subforums if they wish (Eg SMF's "view unread topics")
3. I clearly remember the backlash and number of users who really disliked the old place splitting up the forum
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1. We don't have the amount of traffic where splitting boards is needed
2. We don't have the features other forums have to allow multiple ways to surf a forum and ignore board/categories/subforums if they wish (Eg SMF's "view unread topics")
3. I clearly remember the backlash and number of users who really disliked the old place splitting up the forum
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 10:59AM |
The problem with adding subforums is that it makes it a whole lot less convenient to browse. I love the fact that this place is only two forums, where one is likely to have all sorts of things under the sun, and the other the same, except with a bit more passion. 
... splitting into more subforums means that you'll have to spend more time (not less) browsing. And as others have mentioned, don't make the same mistake as DMF 2005. 
Freya says, 'Hello from NOLA, baby!' (Laissez bon temps rouler!)
... splitting into more subforums means that you'll have to spend more time (not less) browsing. And as others have mentioned, don't make the same mistake as DMF 2005.
Freya says, 'Hello from NOLA, baby!' (Laissez bon temps rouler!)
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 11:28AM |
As long as there's still a way to view "everything" all at once in a topics list, I don't really care if sub-forums are added. Bogleheads.org has their homepage showing an "everything" view, based on activity/age. You can still navigate to sub forums if you want to see a sorted view, but I like to see everything at once, even if I don't care about 75% of it.
bogleheads homepage view:
sub-forum view:
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bogleheads homepage view:
sub-forum view:
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/03/2013 11:29AM by clay.
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 11:32AM |
The reason the DM forum broke IMHO was due to the fracturing of the topics. The reason this forum works is due to the old recipe where topics feed off each other. It was the spice of intermingling topics that made it unique and special. It isn't broken, don't try to fix it.
The political side is the release valve for topics that altered the friendlier atmosphere and is definitely needed. Forum works just fine, please do not change it.
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The political side is the release valve for topics that altered the friendlier atmosphere and is definitely needed. Forum works just fine, please do not change it.
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 11:34AM |
I vote no..
But I do respect that we're being asked our opinion on the matter.
Paul F.
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But I do respect that we're being asked our opinion on the matter.
Paul F.
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 11:39AM |
It's déjà vu all over again!
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 11:48AM |
Thanks for asking and thanks for listening . . .
I hope what your hearing is this:
"The reason the DM forum broke IMHO was due to the fracturing of the topics. The reason this forum works is due to the old recipe where topics feed off each other. It was the spice of intermingling topics that made it unique and special. It isn't broken, don't try to fix it."
Rudie*(:>*
“Stay Hungry Stay Foolish"
Steve Jobs
"There are only two mantras yum and yuk mine is yum "
Bernard Mickey Wrangle<>Tom Robbins<> "Still Life With Woodpecker"
"There is a fine line between a rut and a groove"
G.D. Kittredge III
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I hope what your hearing is this:
"The reason the DM forum broke IMHO was due to the fracturing of the topics. The reason this forum works is due to the old recipe where topics feed off each other. It was the spice of intermingling topics that made it unique and special. It isn't broken, don't try to fix it."
Rudie*(:>*
“Stay Hungry Stay Foolish"
Steve Jobs
"There are only two mantras yum and yuk mine is yum "
Bernard Mickey Wrangle<>Tom Robbins<> "Still Life With Woodpecker"
"There is a fine line between a rut and a groove"
G.D. Kittredge III
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 11:49AM |
Aw, come on. The whole reason this forum started was because of splintering at the old place. Now that that's died off, there's a call to do the same thing here?
Resounding No from me -- and it looks like I'm not alone, according to the current counts.
I said it before back there, and I'll say it again here: I like the forum as is -- like a cocktail party, where I can drift the room and pick up on conversations and decide if I want to be a part of them (with the heavy political arguing going on in the kitchen, i.e., "other side " ) .
Agreed. I think I asked about this once, but was told the software didn't support this kind of blocking.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/03/2013 11:50AM by Zoidberg.
Resounding No from me -- and it looks like I'm not alone, according to the current counts.
I said it before back there, and I'll say it again here: I like the forum as is -- like a cocktail party, where I can drift the room and pick up on conversations and decide if I want to be a part of them (with the heavy political arguing going on in the kitchen, i.e., "other side " ) .
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I'm another who wants it left the same. If I could change anything I'd want threads started by ignored users to not show up in the thread listing.
Agreed. I think I asked about this once, but was told the software didn't support this kind of blocking.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/03/2013 11:50AM by Zoidberg.
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 11:50AM |
+1 on wondering if traffic warrants more rooms
it's not like either room is generating three pages a day and topics are disappearing too fast
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it's not like either room is generating three pages a day and topics are disappearing too fast
The Phorum Wall keeps us safe from illegal characters and words
The doorstep to the temple of wisdom is the knowledge of one's own ignorance. -Benjamin Franklin
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 11:54AM |
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Aw, come on. The whole reason this forum started was because of splintering at the old place. Now that that's died off, there's a call to do the same thing here?
Resounding No from me -- and it looks like I'm not alone, according to the current counts.
I said it before back there, and I'll say it again here: I like the forum as is -- like a cocktail party, where I can drift the room and pick up on conversations and decide if I want to be a part of them (with the heavy political arguing going on in the kitchen, i.e., "other side " ) .
This. Zoid said it better than I could have.
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 11:57AM |
Sometimes -- only sometimes -- I wouldn't mind having commented threads move to the top of the list. Or at least have that view as an option. That is, if someone comments on a thread from last week, it moves to the top. I wouldn't want that as the regular daily view, but I wouldn't mind seeing it as an option.
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 12:04PM |
"My one pupil has begun his work with me, and I will give you a description how the lecture is conducted. It is the most important point, you know, that the tutor should be dignified and at a distance from the pupil, and that the pupil should be as much as possible degraded.... So I sit at the further end of the room; outside the door (which is shut) sits the scout; outside the outer door (also shut) sits the sub-scout: half-way downstairs sits the sub- sub-scout: and down in the yard sits the pupil.
The questions are shouted from one to the other, and the answers come back in the same way--it is rather confusing till you are well used to it."
Lewis Carroll
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“Stay Hungry Stay Foolish"
Steve Jobs
"There are only two mantras yum and yuk mine is yum "
Bernard Mickey Wrangle<>Tom Robbins<> "Still Life With Woodpecker"
"There is a fine line between a rut and a groove"
G.D. Kittredge III
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The questions are shouted from one to the other, and the answers come back in the same way--it is rather confusing till you are well used to it."
Lewis Carroll
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“Stay Hungry Stay Foolish"
Steve Jobs
"There are only two mantras yum and yuk mine is yum "
Bernard Mickey Wrangle<>Tom Robbins<> "Still Life With Woodpecker"
"There is a fine line between a rut and a groove"
G.D. Kittredge III
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 12:23PM |
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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
please, don't dealmac us, bro!
Funny line.
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 12:29PM |
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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
please, don't dealmac us, bro!
Funny line.
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 12:30PM |
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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
please, don't dealmac us, bro!
Funny line.
LOL! Well done!
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 12:30PM |
More subforums more clicks more revenue?
If it is traffic to the Main page or another page that you want us to frequent put your banner up instead of Amazon's.
All second guessing aside, the single forum style is just that. The style that is all but lost and just seems to work here at this time and generation of pollsters.
A big thank you for all you have done and continue to do to entertain this bunch of castaways.
Staunton, Virginia
If it is traffic to the Main page or another page that you want us to frequent put your banner up instead of Amazon's.
All second guessing aside, the single forum style is just that. The style that is all but lost and just seems to work here at this time and generation of pollsters.
A big thank you for all you have done and continue to do to entertain this bunch of castaways.
Staunton, Virginia
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 12:39PM |
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PS: did you guys ever visit the fragmented DM "deals" section? It was beyond moribund.
They averaged about one post a month or so.
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 12:44PM |
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I personally like the main forum as it is - but this has been shot across the bow a couple times, and glad to see the poll and results not surprising.
That said - the 'political' forum side currently has no sponsor, use is limited to a single digit percentage... and because people can't seem to help themselves but devolve conversations into personal pot shots and even direct attacks - it also has a very disproportionate percentage of Mod time spent on it. With lots of other forums more appropriate for that kind of discourse, going to see a poll on it's future. Certainly it's going to need a sponsor for it to continue imho.
I can see your point. I don't read or post over there. I didn't realize how bad it was. And if you're spending a disproportionate amount of time playing babysitter over there, then yeah, something probably needs to be done. Maybe charge people to post over there...
kidding, of course. But if it's that bad, please don't allow that kind of stuff over here. If it's such a small group, tell them "Sorry, you'll need to take your ranting elsewhere".
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 12:46PM |
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That said - the 'political' forum side currently has no sponsor, use is limited to a single digit percentage... and because people can't seem to help themselves but devolve conversations into personal pot shots and even direct attacks - it also has a very disproportionate percentage of Mod time spent on it. With lots of other forums more appropriate for that kind of discourse, going to see a poll on it's future. Certainly it's going to need a sponsor for it to continue imho.
Political side solutions:
- Ban everyone who makes things personal
- Put a banner ad in every post to increase revenue
- Put interstitials in to increase revenue, and increase time between posting
- Limit all posts on that side to 140 characters. Oh, wait, just make it a twitter feed ;)
- Restrict posting to emoticons only
Lots of potential options. If you pick the first one, eventually there may be no one left ;)
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Re: Adding more subforums Date: May 03, 2013 12:55PM |
The thing is, the political conversations on the old pre-exodus DM were, if anything, even rougher than what goes on here. I don't see how it can be a surprise to anybody that it takes a lot of moderation with absolutely zero return on investment. That should have been obvious from the git-go. I am finding it disingenuous to complain that people aren't nice to each other when that is the way it always was. I'd prefer an upfront admission that it is a drag on the bottom line to any kind of preachy judgment about what goes on there.
I'm kind of surprised that Larry is only just now realizing that the Dealmac forum group in its entirety is an unprofitable drain on resources, since that's exactly why DM threw us under the bus.
I'm kind of surprised that Larry is only just now realizing that the Dealmac forum group in its entirety is an unprofitable drain on resources, since that's exactly why DM threw us under the bus.
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