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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: GuyGene
Date: May 03, 2013 04:53PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: michaelb
Date: May 03, 2013 05:09PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Speedy
Date: May 03, 2013 05:14PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: RoadToad
Date: May 03, 2013 05:17PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: graylocks
Date: May 03, 2013 05:18PM
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RoadToad
I'm surprised that there have been 627 viewers and only 107 have cared enough to vote. I'm in the "leave it as is" majority.
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: May 03, 2013 05:19PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: max
Date: May 03, 2013 05:24PM
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"Honestly - if people just learned to use that ignore button when they consistently don't like what another member's positions are, be a lot less issue."
This assumes a certain uniformity of people that just isn't a reality. There are ALL KINDS of folks. Some find it VERY hard to ignore posts.
I'd love it if the ignore function was a good deal stronger. You can't not see thread started by ignored posters - those are still visible even when place on 'ignore'.
But I strongly feel that you need the outlet of the FPR (Friendly' Political Ranting) to keep that angst from creeping into the main area. Larry, you see this as one good forum with a sponsor and one bad forum that only eats resources with no sponsor. I think it should be seen as one single entity.
BUT if you want to be rid of the FPR - it's your sandbox... do it and be done with it. The world will still spin. We'll get on with life.
PS - about there being lots of other outlets for that kind of activity... that's not at all how the FPR people look at it. We see it as absolutely unique - it's a forum populated by many 'friends' that have been hanging out together for well over 10 years. Every other political forum is much larger and populated with people we don't know.
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: deckeda
Date: May 03, 2013 05:27PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: May 03, 2013 05:40PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: May 03, 2013 05:47PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Black
Date: May 03, 2013 06:03PM
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cbelt3
Hmm. I'm personally very active on the political side and this. And a regular OWC customer. I agree with the idea of keeping the politics over there. Is the resource issue one of mods, bandwidth , or hosting cost? Keep in mind that this side often ends up on google search top ranking , which drives traffic to OWC as well. I wonder what your stats are on clickthroughs from the Phorum ?
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: dmann
Date: May 03, 2013 06:06PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Black
Date: May 03, 2013 06:12PM
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I'm another who wants it left the same. If I could change anything I'd want threads started by ignored users to not show up in the thread listing.
This. Yes.
DM
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: May 03, 2013 06:13PM
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Black
I am also not getting very far in understanding what resources we're talking about here, or what is meant by "sponsors," or why the sudden need for changes.
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OWC Larry
That said - the 'political' forum side currently has no sponsor, use is limited to a single digit percentage... [...] it also has a very disproportionate percentage of Mod time spent on it. With lots of other forums more appropriate for that kind of discourse, going to see a poll on it's future. Certainly it's going to need a sponsor for it to continue imho.
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OWC Larry
it's not monetary... That being said, we're supporting the 'main forum' as a sponsor, but the politcal side drains resources from our support that could go to the main forum.
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: tuqqer
Date: May 03, 2013 06:16PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: dmann
Date: May 03, 2013 06:16PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Harbourmaster
Date: May 03, 2013 06:17PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: davester
Date: May 03, 2013 06:18PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Black
Date: May 03, 2013 06:18PM
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M A V I C
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Black
I am also not getting very far in understanding what resources we're talking about here, or what is meant by "sponsors," or why the sudden need for changes.
I think a few things Larry has said might help answer your questions:
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OWC Larry
That said - the 'political' forum side currently has no sponsor, use is limited to a single digit percentage... [...] it also has a very disproportionate percentage of Mod time spent on it. With lots of other forums more appropriate for that kind of discourse, going to see a poll on it's future. Certainly it's going to need a sponsor for it to continue imho.
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OWC Larry
it's not monetary... That being said, we're supporting the 'main forum' as a sponsor, but the politcal side drains resources from our support that could go to the main forum.
Sounds like mod resources is a big issue. As far as "sponsor", I noticed this board has a "sponsored by OWC" at the top right, whereas the political side does not.
Not sure if the need for change is "sudden" or not.
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Drew
Date: May 03, 2013 06:19PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Black
Date: May 03, 2013 06:20PM
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davester
I probably spend more time on the political side than on the tips and deals side, and I find it stimulating and valuable because I learn a lot of things about what other people are thinking across the country (and in other countries). I have never seen another forum as good as this one when it comes to discussions of political topics. I would probably end up drifting away from the forum in general if the political forum was axed.
Larry mentioned that there were other more appropriate political forums but I sure haven't ever seen any. The news site forums are populated by completely belligerent crazies. The political forum here has some very engaging and mature discussions mixed with the crazy stuff...something I haven't seen elsewhere.
That said, there are some posters on the political side who are completely nutso and whose obvious sole purpose is to try to tick people off (i.e. they are "trolls"), and I just know that they cause problems for the moderators. I would guess that those posters are a very small fraction of the posting population and I would be happy to see them axed if they are the cause of excessive effort by the moderators. Why not do that? Three strikes and you're out!
Also, as I recall, the genesis of the original political forum at DM was to create an outlet for more heated discussion that many on the main site didn't want. That arrangement morphed into the identical arrangement here. If you axe the political side then is this side going to be ruled with an iron fist to squash discussions that get heated? I frankly don't think that is going to work.
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Black
Date: May 03, 2013 06:23PM
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Drew
I agree with the vast majority and love the forum the way it is. It takes about a day for a post to travel from top to bottom, so I see no need for multiplying. As for the political side, I wouldn't care if it disappeared, but also see it's value as a pressure relief valve from the front side. What if you warned them that if they don't clean up and keep to the TOS then they'll lose it? Maybe they could do some self-policing. Are the TOS clearly understood?
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Racer X
Date: May 03, 2013 06:28PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Black
Date: May 03, 2013 06:33PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: yeoman
Date: May 03, 2013 06:37PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: $tevie
Date: May 03, 2013 06:56PM
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RoadToad
I'm surprised that there have been 627 viewers and only 107 have cared enough to vote. I'm in the "leave it as is" majority.
i think checking in counts as a 'view.' i've checked back a number of times.
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: $tevie
Date: May 03, 2013 07:19PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: testcase
Date: May 03, 2013 07:37PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: earache
Date: May 03, 2013 07:41PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: space-time
Date: May 03, 2013 07:45PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: GGD
Date: May 03, 2013 07:53PM
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graylocks
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RoadToad
I'm surprised that there have been 627 viewers and only 107 have cared enough to vote. I'm in the "leave it as is" majority.
i think checking in counts as a 'view.' i've checked back a number of times.
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: deckeda
Date: May 03, 2013 07:53PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: davester
Date: May 03, 2013 07:55PM
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space-time
Maybe adding some "tags" like photos, Macs, PCs, iOS, deals, cars, home repairs, food, news, etc would help. .
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Don C
Date: May 03, 2013 08:46PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: May 03, 2013 08:47PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: DewGuy
Date: May 03, 2013 09:01PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: onthedownlow
Date: May 03, 2013 09:13PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: GuyGene
Date: May 03, 2013 09:19PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: The UnDoug
Date: May 03, 2013 09:25PM
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iaJim
Haven't we heard this before? Didn't we just see how that ended? Leave a good thing alone.
The DM forums died for far more reasons than the breaking of the forum apart into multiple parts. In fact, I think this had very little to do with the death of that forum. I go to forums that are far more segmented than the DM forums ever were, and they're just fine.
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: ScottG
Date: May 03, 2013 09:36PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: The UnDoug
Date: May 03, 2013 10:11PM
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vision63
Ahhhaaa. April Fools! wait...
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: RgrF
Date: May 03, 2013 10:16PM
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davester
I probably spend more time on the political side than on the tips and deals side, and I find it stimulating and valuable because I learn a lot of things about what other people are thinking across the country (and in other countries). I have never seen another forum as good as this one when it comes to discussions of political topics. I would probably end up drifting away from the forum in general if the political forum was axed.
Larry mentioned that there were other more appropriate political forums but I sure haven't ever seen any. The news site forums are populated by completely belligerent crazies. The political forum here has some very engaging and mature discussions mixed with the crazy stuff...something I haven't seen elsewhere.
That said, there are some posters on the political side who are completely nutso and whose obvious sole purpose is to try to tick people off (i.e. they are "trolls"), and I just know that they cause problems for the moderators. I would guess that those posters are a very small fraction of the posting population and I would be happy to see them axed if they are the cause of excessive effort by the moderators. Why not do that? Three strikes and you're out!
Also, as I recall, the genesis of the original political forum at DM was to create an outlet for more heated discussion that many on the main site didn't want. That arrangement morphed into the identical arrangement here. If you axe the political side then is this side going to be ruled with an iron fist to squash discussions that get heated? I frankly don't think that is going to work.
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: The UnDoug
Date: May 03, 2013 10:29PM
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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
please, don't dealmac us, bro!
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: SteveO
Date: May 03, 2013 10:36PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: The UnDoug
Date: May 03, 2013 10:39PM
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OWC Larry
Bottom line is that it's not being used in to the original framework and the small group who continue to utilize it are continually offended and reporting each other.
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: The UnDoug
Date: May 03, 2013 10:45PM
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OWC Larry
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Maybe it's time for it to be more of an anything goes. Pay to play/see. If you don't like it - don't be a part of it. Maybe it's $1.99 a month or $9.99 a year. I don't know. I do know it sucks that people can't stick to their own 'facts' - right or wrong - and agree or agree to disagree vs. bring it down to personal snipes and worse. If it wasn't anonymous, bet would be a lot different too.
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: The UnDoug
Date: May 03, 2013 10:46PM
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decay
if the political side becomes pay to play, the terrorists have won.
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Black
Date: May 03, 2013 10:47PM
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OWC Larry
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Maybe it's time for it to be more of an anything goes. Pay to play/see. If you don't like it - don't be a part of it. Maybe it's $1.99 a month or $9.99 a year. I don't know. I do know it sucks that people can't stick to their own 'facts' - right or wrong - and agree or agree to disagree vs. bring it down to personal snipes and worse. If it wasn't anonymous, bet would be a lot different too.
Maybe you should charge to report posts. Only on the ranting side. Charge .99 per report. That way people can either tough it out, get lost, or waste their money.
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: PeterB
Date: May 03, 2013 11:18PM
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The UnDoug
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OWC Larry
Bottom line is that it's not being used in to the original framework and the small group who continue to utilize it are continually offended and reporting each other.
What a bunch of @#$%&!
Psychotic @#$%&, at that!
LOL
Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: May 03, 2013 11:35PM
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OWC Larry
initially there was more activity on that other side and it was, for the most part, 'friendly'. At this point, it's become more vindictive and personal rather than a true sharing of viewpoints and ideas. Bottom line is that it's not being used in to the original framework and the small group who continue to utilize it are continually offended and reporting each other.