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Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: DP
Date: July 12, 2013 06:40AM
The secession movement stems from "a growing urban-rural divide," with state lawmakers in Denver passing sweeping gun control legislation and calling for more renewable energy and less oil and gas production—a big part of northern Colorado's economy. “Northern and Northeastern Colorado and our voices are being ignored in the legislative process this year, and our very way of life is under attack,”

“This is not a stunt. This is a very serious deliberative discussion that’s going on,”

This reminds me of some people of the upper peninsula of Michigan that also want to secede from the lower peninsula to form the new state of Superior claiming that the lower peninsula is out of touch with Da Yoop. It never gains any traction here, tho. But the Yoopers also cheer for the Packers.... Traitors!

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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: samintx
Date: July 12, 2013 07:14AM
Did I post this after my June visit? In any event I was surprised to see it on the tellie... in Revolutionary days Vermont was a private state for a long while...so..who knows....they might pull it off.
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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: Will Collier
Date: July 12, 2013 07:21AM
Not likely, but these movements do pop up from time to time. Chatter about splitting California into two (or more) states is a perennial filler story.
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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: ztirffritz
Date: July 12, 2013 07:23AM
There are a few states in similar situations. Eastern Washington might as well be a different state too.



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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: July 12, 2013 07:50AM
I'd like to see everything here west of a north-south line stretching roughly from Burlington to Laurinburg become its own state.
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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: mrlynn
Date: July 12, 2013 07:52AM
Maine used to be part of Massachusetts; and West Virginia part of Virginia. It can happen. I expect many parts of California would like to be free of its official lunacy. But do those parts form a separate territory?

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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: DP
Date: July 12, 2013 08:25AM
Well, the biggest issue with the Upper Peninsula splitting off is how to support itself. The copper and iron mines don't do the business they used to nor is the lumber industry what it was. Tourism is big but it does drop off in Winter...
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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: mrlynn
Date: July 12, 2013 08:33AM
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DP
Well, the biggest issue with the Upper Peninsula splitting off is how to support itself. The copper and iron mines don't do the business they used to nor is the lumber industry what it was. Tourism is big but it does drop off in Winter...

Well, der's always Da Yoopers!

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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: July 12, 2013 09:06AM
I'll file this in the circular receptacle annotated as 'not bloody likely'.
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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: microchip
Date: July 12, 2013 09:18AM
It'd be the same issue as with Michigan... How would Northeast Colorado support itself? It's not like they get tourism money. They'd have to get everything from farming which I'll side with cbelt in saying it's "not bloody likely".
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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: DRR
Date: July 12, 2013 09:33AM
There's really nothing up there. Greeley, Windsor, Sterling is about as big as it gets. Fort Collins is a healthy mix of conservative and liberal too.

There's no population therefore no clout for this to be taken seriously.

What you're going to start to see happen is that Boulder/Denver is going to become more liberal and the rest of the state will remain "red." Colorado Springs, Weld County, Summit County, etc are all conservative. It's going to be a blue island in a red state, similar to how Austin is in Texas.
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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: July 12, 2013 09:34AM
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microchip
It'd be the same issue as with Michigan... How would Northeast Colorado support itself? It's not like they get tourism money. They'd have to get everything from farming which I'll side with cbelt in saying it's "not bloody likely".

Oil and gas production. Similar to what happens in Northern MN on the iron range. The money(taxes) from the mining operations is taken and spent in the urban areas by the legislature leaving the Northern part of the state without the resources it should have. All for the greater good, right?



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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: vision63
Date: July 12, 2013 10:56AM
Northeast Colorado needs to get over themselves. Why would the rest of Colorado vote "for" them to secede?
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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: Buck
Date: July 12, 2013 11:12AM
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ztirffritz
There are a few states in similar situations. Eastern Washington might as well be a different state too.
agree smiley
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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: July 12, 2013 11:20AM
thought we already had one......the STATE of denial.......??



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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: July 12, 2013 12:02PM
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vision63
Northeast Colorado needs to get over themselves. Why would the rest of Colorado vote "for" them to secede?

They won't. Obviously. Because of greed. They want the money that comes with the resources to spend in their populated area.

The problem is, those rural areas with all this revenue do not get the quality of services that they should have because funding is based on per capita, even though they are producing a large chunk of the money.

Northern Colorado, honestly, would be better served if they were a separate state. Think North Dakota. No large urban area to suck the resources, tons of money in oil and gas. All their areas are relatively equally well served by the government and there isn't a large body of people in a small area consuming a disporportionate amount of the resources.



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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: vision63
Date: July 12, 2013 02:02PM
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vision63
Northeast Colorado needs to get over themselves. Why would the rest of Colorado vote "for" them to secede?

They won't. Obviously. Because of greed. They want the money that comes with the resources to spend in their populated area.

The problem is, those rural areas with all this revenue do not get the quality of services that they should have because funding is based on per capita, even though they are producing a large chunk of the money.

Northern Colorado, honestly, would be better served if they were a separate state. Think North Dakota. No large urban area to suck the resources, tons of money in oil and gas. All their areas are relatively equally well served by the government and there isn't a large body of people in a small area consuming a disporportionate amount of the resources.

They should consider moving. Most of these kinds of people's concerns have less to do with the quality of services they receive than it does the fact that their political philosophies are in the minority when they once were in the majority.
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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: haikuman
Date: July 12, 2013 02:15PM
Speaking of Texas haven't we given that state of delusion back to Mexico yet ? jest smiley

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Posted by: DRR [PM] [Ignore this user]
Date: July 12, 2013 09:33AM

"It's going to be a blue island in a red state, similar to how Austin is in Texas."



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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: July 12, 2013 02:30PM
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C(-)ris
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vision63
Northeast Colorado needs to get over themselves. Why would the rest of Colorado vote "for" them to secede?

They won't. Obviously. Because of greed. They want the money that comes with the resources to spend in their populated area.

The problem is, those rural areas with all this revenue do not get the quality of services that they should have because funding is based on per capita, even though they are producing a large chunk of the money.

Northern Colorado, honestly, would be better served if they were a separate state. Think North Dakota. No large urban area to suck the resources, tons of money in oil and gas. All their areas are relatively equally well served by the government and there isn't a large body of people in a small area consuming a disporportionate amount of the resources.

They should consider moving. Most of these kinds of people's concerns have less to do with the quality of services they receive than it does the fact that their political philosophies are in the minority when they once were in the majority.

Moving where? They are in the middle of nowhere in Colorado trying to keep to themselves. Unfortunately, There is one small (in area) super center of dense population that thinks only about themselves and has control of the government of the entire state and enacts policies and rules for everyone with a distinct bias towards benefiting the city dwellers. Gee, I wonder why they want to secede...

Sounds fair...



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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: vision63
Date: July 12, 2013 03:24PM
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C(-)ris
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vision63
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C(-)ris
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vision63
Northeast Colorado needs to get over themselves. Why would the rest of Colorado vote "for" them to secede?

They won't. Obviously. Because of greed. They want the money that comes with the resources to spend in their populated area.

The problem is, those rural areas with all this revenue do not get the quality of services that they should have because funding is based on per capita, even though they are producing a large chunk of the money.

Northern Colorado, honestly, would be better served if they were a separate state. Think North Dakota. No large urban area to suck the resources, tons of money in oil and gas. All their areas are relatively equally well served by the government and there isn't a large body of people in a small area consuming a disporportionate amount of the resources.

They should consider moving. Most of these kinds of people's concerns have less to do with the quality of services they receive than it does the fact that their political philosophies are in the minority when they once were in the majority.

Moving where? They are in the middle of nowhere in Colorado trying to keep to themselves. Unfortunately, There is one small (in area) super center of dense population that thinks only about themselves and has control of the government of the entire state and enacts policies and rules for everyone with a distinct bias towards benefiting the city dwellers. Gee, I wonder why they want to secede...

Sounds fair...

They want to secede because they want it "their" way. But it's the "other" way. (apologies to Marlo Stansfield).
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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: Mike Johnson
Date: July 12, 2013 03:42PM
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C(-)ris
Unfortunately, There is one small (in area) super center of dense population that thinks only about themselves and has control of the government of the entire state and enacts policies...

Oh, you mean the majority.
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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: July 12, 2013 03:43PM
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vision63

They want to secede because they want it "their" way. But it's the "other" way. (apologies to Marlo Stansfield).

So true. Somewhere in the middle is the "fair" way. Unfortunately, that will never happen given the current rules to play by, hence their way.



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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: July 12, 2013 03:45PM
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Unfortunately, There is one small (in area) super center of dense population that thinks only about themselves and has control of the government of the entire state and enacts policies...

Oh, you mean the majority.

But the majority is looking out for themselves. Not what is fair to all. That(sense of entitlement) is a problem that is only going to grow worse in this country and you better hope that you are in the majority or be prepared to get trampled over.



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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: vision63
Date: July 12, 2013 04:09PM
First you would have to identify fairness. Just because someone expresses a concern about an issue doesn't necessarily make it one. It's not like they don't have representatives. And it's not like everyone is unwilling to dialog. We went through all of this with the epic vote on secession with the city of Los Angeles 10 years ago. It all started out being about certain concerns and ended up being about what it really was about.
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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: Racer X
Date: July 13, 2013 01:24AM
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There are a few states in similar situations. Eastern Washington might as well be a different state too.
agree smiley

And you would be screwed without the tax base of the Puget Sound area businesses. Its a wierd dichotomy. Mom's family is from the Tri Cities, and my GF/Partner graduated from Central.
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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: Speedy
Date: July 13, 2013 02:14AM
This topic never belonged on this side of the forum.

I'd be happy if they separated from Colorado and joined Wyoming. I would not like to see these folks get two US senators and a representative.

Anyway, nothing like this will ever happen again in any state.



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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: DRR
Date: July 13, 2013 09:38AM
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Speaking of Texas haven't we given that state of delusion back to Mexico yet ? jest smiley

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Posted by: DRR [PM] [Ignore this user]
Date: July 12, 2013 09:33AM

"It's going to be a blue island in a red state, similar to how Austin is in Texas."

Minor point, but the United States didn't get Texas from Mexico. Texas fought for their independence from Mexico and operated as an independent country for 10 or 15 years before being annexed into the United States.

So were the United States to "give it back" to anyone it would be to the people of Texas, not Mexico - Mexico no longer has claim.
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Re: Will North Colorado become America's 51st state?
Posted by: Rolando
Date: July 14, 2013 11:28PM
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Speaking of Texas haven't we given that state of delusion back to Mexico yet ? jest smiley

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Posted by: DRR [PM] [Ignore this user]
Date: July 12, 2013 09:33AM

"It's going to be a blue island in a red state, similar to how Austin is in Texas."

Minor point, but the United States didn't get Texas from Mexico. Texas fought for their independence from Mexico and operated as an independent country for 10 or 15 years before being annexed into the United States.

So were the United States to "give it back" to anyone it would be to the people of Texas, not Mexico - Mexico no longer has claim.

Incorrect on two points. Texas had a very weak "independence" that include having its oldest city (San Antonio) being reoccupied twice by the Mexican Army and reinstating civil government there. The Republic never controlled more than 1/3 of the current area of Texas, much less the area claimed by the Republic! After the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, Mexico recognized the Rio Grande as the border between the USA and Mexico, not Texas and Mexico. Prior to the Treaty, the Province of Texas southern border was the Rio Nueces.

Furthermore, there was a proposal to readmit Texas as two states divided by the Colorado River. Looking at recent Presidential Elections, that is pretty much the Red/Blue Divide now (plus the Houston and Dallas Metro areas!



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