He has a right to be bitter methinks ymmv
I will admit to being a Pete Rose Fan Boy *(:>*

[sports.yahoo.com]

Pete Rose says he ‘picked the wrong vice,’ alcohol or drugs would have gotten him another chance

Between the recent Hall of Fame inductions, the banned-for-life threats aimed at Alex Rodriguez and last week's Biogenesis suspensions, we've heard Pete Rose's name a lot recently.

These are all instances that will cause Rose's fans to prop him up as a victim, to make the case that baseball's all-time hit king is getting a bum rap and deserves a spot in the Hall of Fame.
The logic goes like this: If a guy who uses PEDs gets caught and only gets a 50-game suspension (not even a third of a season), then should Rose be banned for life for gambling?

Well, Rose himself put that thinking in even stronger terms in a new interview with radio station 93.7 The Fan in Pittsburgh. In short: He says if he were a drinker, drug-user or wife-beater, he'd get a second chance.

"I made mistakes. I can’t whine about it. I’m the one that messed up and I’m paying the consequences. However, if I am given a second chance, I won’t need a third chance. And to be honest with you, I picked the wrong vice. I should have picked alcohol. I should have picked drugs or I should have picked up beating up my wife or girlfriend because if you do those three, you get a second chance. They haven’t given too many gamblers a second chances in the world of baseball.”

It's not a new thought — there are many baseball pundits out there would tell you that DUIs among ballplayers are a more dire issue than PEDs. But Rose saying such a thing so boldly makes him sound like a guy whose found a slightly cracked window to try to push himself through. Later in the interview, Rose said he'd be the "happiest guy in the world" to get into the Hall of Fame, but that isn't what he's praying for before bed each night.

Another interesting topic raised was Rose's friendship with A-Rod, public enemy No. 1 in the Biogenesis case with that looming 211-game suspension. Though Rose said he and A-Rod are pals, Rose also said he'd advise other players not to do like A-Rod did (or like he himself did) — don't lie.

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He knew the rules when he broke them. He loved gambling more than the game that gave him money and fame. Don't want to be banned? Don't gamble on the game as a coach or player.

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Todays players have been coddled and given opportunities Pete Rose was not is
all he is saying and I agree with it. ymmv *(:>*

I also think this is a bit of a stretch "He loved gambling more than the game"
I am not sure how anyone of us would know that or could know that.

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“Stay Hungry Stay Foolish"
Steve Jobs

"There are only two mantras yum and yuk mine is yum "
Bernard Mickey Wrangle<>Tom Robbins<> "Still Life With Woodpecker"

"There is a fine line between a rut and a groove"
G.D. Kittredge III

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He knew the rules when he broke them. He loved gambling more than the game that gave him money and fame. Don't want to be banned? Don't gamble on the game as a coach or player.

Agree. This does nothing but make him sound worse in my opinion. "I should have picked up beating up my wife or girlfriend"... does he honestly think that would have been better as it relates to forgiveness? What an insensitive, clueless, d!ck. Appreciate his talents for hitting a baseball, but he still has no clue regardless of the points he's attempted to make.

I'm with pRICE cUBE on this one. Pete literally rolled the dice and crapped out.

Don't even mention reinstating Mr. Rose until Shoeless Joe is in the HoF.

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hustle = amphetamines

I am not excusing PEDs either. I think the game should be free of them. I don't like the concept of bad behavior excusing other bad behavior. I believe Rose is trying to capitalize on the situation. I am not buying his act, especially what I have read about the people he defamed as he tried to lie his way out of his hole he dug.

While steroids messes with the integrity of the game, the penalties are not as severe. The guys who use PED know this and they know what the consequences are. They are willing to take the chance.

Gambling affects the perception baseball and what keeps it from being a staged event. Once it is perceived as such, people will stop watching.

Is it fair? Maybe not. Are both wrong? Sure. The difference is one brings a lifetime ban and the other is in increments of 50 games. I don't feel sympathy for either set of people who cheat the game.

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Pete has payed the price above and beyond what is reasonable.

He should be allowed into the HOF now. Rose was banned from MLB for life in 1989 for betting on baseball. Two years later, the Hall of Fame changed its rules to prevent anyone on the permanently ineligible list from being inducted.

24 years is long enough!

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Nothing "Enhances" or "Supresses" performance like gambling. Sorry, Charlie Hustle. YOU Hustled yourself out of ever being in the Hall.

Betting on a game you're not involved in vs. cheating in a game you're playing?

Come on. The hypocrisy of insisting Rose be excluded forever while not making the same demands of A-Rod and his cheating pals is laughable.

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MLB Rule 21 (Misconduct)
a) Misconduct in Playing Baseball (throwing games)
...b) Gift for Defeating Competing Club
...c) Gifts to Umpires
...d) Betting on Ball Games
......1) Betting on Other Baseball Teams (1 year ineligible)
......2) Betting on Own Team (permanently ineligible)
...e) Violence or Misconduct (judgement of commissioner)
...f) Other Misconduct
...g) Rule to be kept posted (in English and Spanish in every clubhouse)

The sign was up in every clubhouse Pete played and managed in. There is physical evidence he violated 21.d.2. He confessed to it. End of story.

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Rose is right, the treatment is disproportionate.

Unfortunately for him, the answer to that is to increase the punishment for the other cheaters, not lighten his punishment.

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Rose is right, the treatment is disproportionate.

Unfortunately for him, the answer to that is to increase the punishment for the other cheaters, not lighten his punishment.

Yep, and Petie is forgetting about the big Black Eye baseball experienced from the Black Sox.

The real and legitimate concern is that if MLB were to enforce a 'No PED, EVER' policy, they might not induct a single living player into the HOF for another 30 years...

He was never accused of betting as a player and should be inducted based on those merits. Who else ran to first on a walk during those days?Now what occurs after the life of a player can be debated.
They'll wait until he dies and then I say way too late.......

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Who else ran to first on a walk during those days?

That's what amphetamines will do for you.

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They'll wait until he dies and then I say way too late.......

Like Ron Santo.

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Milt Pappas, in a 2003 ESPN interview, stated that Rose "took handfuls" [of amphetamines] and that his running to first base on a walk was less hustle than greenie-induced jitters.