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FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: BigGuynRusty
Date: September 06, 2006 10:28AM
Wow!
Pushes it in to the professional realm.
I have at least four clients that have been wishing for this form factor with FW800, the 3GB of RAM, faster CPU. and the massive 24" screen is just gravy!
Really nice.
I guess those "FireWire is Dead!" folks were wrong.

BGnR


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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: jimbrady
Date: September 06, 2006 11:01AM
So FW800 is working now, or people just like the idea of it? Or was it (still is?) just a problem with G5s?


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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: blusubaru
Date: September 06, 2006 11:07AM
sweeeeeeeeeeeet
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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: BigGuynRusty
Date: September 06, 2006 11:10AM
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jimbrady
So FW800 is working now, or people just like the idea of it? Or was it (still is?) just a problem with G5s?

Only the early G5 tower problem, along with the horrible SATA controller implementation.

BGnR


"Good heavens, Miss Sakamoto! You're beautiful!"
"If we dig precious things from the land, we will invite disaster."
"Near the day of Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky."
"A container of ashes might one day be thrown from the sky, which could burn the land and boil the oceans."
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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: jimbrady
Date: September 06, 2006 12:19PM
> Only the early G5 tower problem

Hmmmm... I should check again, but I'd swear the speed of a FW800 drive on my next-to-last gen G5 (Dual 2.5) was indistinguishable from FW400.


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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: BigGuynRusty
Date: September 06, 2006 12:34PM
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jimbrady
> Only the early G5 tower problem

Hmmmm... I should check again, but I'd swear the speed of a FW800 drive on my next-to-last gen G5 (Dual 2.5) was indistinguishable from FW400.

That is what a good tech friend told me, that the last G5's fixed it. I did not check personally.
But "next-to-last gen G5 (Dual 2.5)" is earlier than the last!

BGnR


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"If we dig precious things from the land, we will invite disaster."
"Near the day of Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky."
"A container of ashes might one day be thrown from the sky, which could burn the land and boil the oceans."
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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: September 06, 2006 12:44PM
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BigGuynRusty
But "next-to-last gen G5 (Dual 2.5)" is earlier than the last!

Yeah, but originally you said "Only the early G5 tower problem, along with the horrible SATA controller implementation."

That makes it sounds like it was fixed well before the last rev. There was only rev of the "last" G5's (eg, the DDR2 mobos.)



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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: BigGuynRusty
Date: September 06, 2006 01:01PM
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M A V I C
Quote
BigGuynRusty
But "next-to-last gen G5 (Dual 2.5)" is earlier than the last!

Yeah, but originally you said "Only the early G5 tower problem, along with the horrible SATA controller implementation."

That makes it sounds like it was fixed well before the last rev. There was only rev of the "last" G5's (eg, the DDR2 mobos.)

What I wrote, and what you perceived I wrote, are two different things.
Didn't "Sound" that way to me, since this is not a "Tech Forum", I assumed looser statements could be used, next time I will turn on my Atomic Clock!
Sorry I upset you!

BGnR


"Good heavens, Miss Sakamoto! You're beautiful!"
"If we dig precious things from the land, we will invite disaster."
"Near the day of Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky."
"A container of ashes might one day be thrown from the sky, which could burn the land and boil the oceans."
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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: September 06, 2006 01:11PM
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BigGuynRusty
Quote
M A V I C
Quote
BigGuynRusty
But "next-to-last gen G5 (Dual 2.5)" is earlier than the last!

Yeah, but originally you said "Only the early G5 tower problem, along with the horrible SATA controller implementation."

That makes it sounds like it was fixed well before the last rev. There was only rev of the "last" G5's (eg, the DDR2 mobos.)

What I wrote, and what you perceived I wrote, are two different things.
Didn't "Sound" that way to me, since this is not a "Tech Forum", I assumed looser statements could be used, next time I will turn on my Atomic Clock!
Sorry I upset you!

BGnR

I was being nice about things. What you originally wrote and what you later wrote contradict each other. You changed your statement because someone pointed out it wasn't accurate.

ear·ly (ûrl) Pronunciation Key
adj. ear·li·er, ear·li·est
Of or occurring near the beginning of a given series

This would not include the next-to-last rev of the G5's. Why is this important? Because you originally wrote Only the early G5 tower problem, along with the horrible SATA controller implementation.

But don't get too down about it, you're probably ESL.



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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: jimbrady
Date: September 06, 2006 01:15PM
I'm just bummed about my crappy FW800 controller.


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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: jimbrady
Date: September 06, 2006 01:19PM
And, to correct myself, my Dual 2.5 is actually the next-to-last SINGLE CORE G5 model... Franx's (2.7) is the REAL next-to-last gen G5 tower (if anyone cares).


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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: BigGuynRusty
Date: September 06, 2006 01:24PM
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M A V I C
Quote
BigGuynRusty
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M A V I C
Quote
BigGuynRusty
But "next-to-last gen G5 (Dual 2.5)" is earlier than the last!

Yeah, but originally you said "Only the early G5 tower problem, along with the horrible SATA controller implementation."

That makes it sounds like it was fixed well before the last rev. There was only rev of the "last" G5's (eg, the DDR2 mobos.)

What I wrote, and what you perceived I wrote, are two different things.
Didn't "Sound" that way to me, since this is not a "Tech Forum", I assumed looser statements could be used, next time I will turn on my Atomic Clock!
Sorry I upset you!

BGnR

I was being nice about things. What you originally wrote and what you later wrote contradict each other. You changed your statement because someone pointed out it wasn't accurate.

ear·ly (ûrl) Pronunciation Key
adj. ear·li·er, ear·li·est
Of or occurring near the beginning of a given series

This would not include the next-to-last rev of the G5's. Why is this important? Because you originally wrote Only the early G5 tower problem, along with the horrible SATA controller implementation.

But don't get too down about it, you're probably ESL.

I am so sorry that I upset you so much that you start throwing insults out!
I see you are showing your true maturity.
What is next, insult my Mama?
Call me bad names?
I am so scared!
I am so sorry that I upset you, now go get something to eat, or maybe take your nap, you sound very cranky!

BGnR


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"If we dig precious things from the land, we will invite disaster."
"Near the day of Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky."
"A container of ashes might one day be thrown from the sky, which could burn the land and boil the oceans."
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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: September 06, 2006 01:44PM
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BigGuynRusty
I am so sorry that I upset you so much that you start throwing insults out!
I see you are showing your true maturity.
What is next, insult my Mama?
Call me bad names?
I am so scared!
I am so sorry that I upset you, now go get something to eat, or maybe take your nap, you sound very cranky!

Insults? Where?



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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: SteveJobs
Date: September 06, 2006 01:48PM
Can you 2 take it somewhere?


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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: OWC Larry
Date: September 06, 2006 03:22PM
Darn happy to see that on there for sure.... Still annoying that it's not even an option and no way to add it to the 20" models.

Whatever works, right?

FireWire, one of Apple's own creations, at least hasn't been cast aside yet.... to join the ranks of such as held by the ADC displays, etc.


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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: pRON aHOLIC
Date: September 06, 2006 04:47PM
Happy to see it though I am note how many use it. I like using mine, faster transfers on correctly equipped gear.


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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: Article Accelerator
Date: September 06, 2006 06:23PM
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pRON aHOLIC
I like using mine, faster transfers on correctly equipped gear.

That may be a huge understatement, at least if comparing FireWire to USB 2.0:

[www.barefeats.com]

39.8 MB/s vs. 15.6 MB/s--no contest...
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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: vision63
Date: September 06, 2006 06:31PM
For digital video, only firewire can assure no dropped frames import/export. Or maybe my thinking is elderly.
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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: BigGuynRusty
Date: September 06, 2006 06:35PM
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M A V I C
Insults? Where?

MAVIC Quote.:
"But don't get too down about it, you're probably ESL"

Depending on who you are trying to insult, that statement can also be racial slur.

BGnR


"Good heavens, Miss Sakamoto! You're beautiful!"
"If we dig precious things from the land, we will invite disaster."
"Near the day of Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky."
"A container of ashes might one day be thrown from the sky, which could burn the land and boil the oceans."
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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: September 06, 2006 06:39PM
Well I see this one's ruined too.


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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: BigGuynRusty
Date: September 06, 2006 07:25PM
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Grateful11
Well I see this one's ruined too.

Yeppers, I hate when folks do that.

BGnR


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"If we dig precious things from the land, we will invite disaster."
"Near the day of Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky."
"A container of ashes might one day be thrown from the sky, which could burn the land and boil the oceans."
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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: Silencio
Date: September 06, 2006 07:45PM
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jimbrady
I'm just bummed about my crappy FW800 controller.

So get a FW800 PCI card. Problem solved.

This may or may not be strictly a "tech forum", but there are plenty of nerdy people who hang out here (I should probably included myself in this category to some degree) and nerds do tend to be pedants and sticklers for details, so it pays to be precise. To me, "Early" most likely means "Rev 1 G5", not "All non-multi-core G5s"

Now if only Apple would get on the stick and put FW800 back on the 15" MacBook Pro. sad smiley
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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: September 06, 2006 08:41PM
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BigGuynRusty
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M A V I C
Insults? Where?

MAVIC Quote.:
"But don't get too down about it, you're probably ESL"

Depending on who you are trying to insult, that statement can also be racial slur.

Nope, I just said that in case you were ESL, I wouldn't want you to worry about the mistake you made.



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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: jimbrady
Date: September 06, 2006 10:16PM
>So get a FW800 PCI card. Problem solved.

Really? Having seen many troubles with FW400 hubs and PCI cards (from deep sleep insomnia to FCP-related kernel panics, I'd be surprised (but pleasantly so).


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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: Racer X
Date: September 06, 2006 10:45PM
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vision63
For digital video, only firewire can assure no dropped frames import/export. Or maybe my thinking is elderly.

you are still 100% correct. USB uses processor clock cycles to run it (AFAIK) and FW is independant of the processor, the FW chip does it all.

That is why even 604e processor macs a decade ago could do .DV editing.
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Re: FireWire 800 port on 24" iMac!
Posted by: Silencio
Date: September 07, 2006 11:48AM
But no 604e Macs shipped with built-in Firewire. And I forget how much Firewire PCI cards went for back then, but I presume they weren't cheap...

The 604e was a sweeeeeet processor. The G3 was supposed to be the processor for low-end/midrange machines and cost less to manufacture than the 604s did; their unexpectedly high level of performance took Apple by surprise and led to a fairly radical rethinking of their product line back in 1997.
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