I started thinking my Palm was not going to carry me much further when I took a trip and realized not having a map app of any sort and not being able to blow up a pdf bus schedule large enough to read was kind of a deal-breaker.
So I bought a used Droid 3 off eBay for ~$48.
It runs Android 2.3.4 (Gingerbread) which is about 2 major OS releases back, and that's where it will have to stay without "rooting," which would mean loss of camera function because nobody ever wrote drivers.

So far I've got it to do most of what I wanted.
I installed a custom interface so that I could make the app buttons bigger and easier to arrange.
I figured out how to get my custom ring/alert tones into it but I'm having a hard time getting them to "stick" i.e. I think I have a custom tone selected for text and a stock tone selected for other notifications, but then the text alert defaults back to whatever the system event notifications are set to...
I installed an app* to make text larger globally, but had to undo that because it caused the lines to halfway disappear and be unreadable in the "recent calls" menu. So back to too small text there.
I installed an app* to get text bigger in the SMS app, and that's working well.
I found an FM tuner app that someone offered up online from an earlier OS (not sure why it was left out of Gingerbread) for a different Motorola and it works pretty well overall but suddenly quits after an hour or two, and every other time the phone needs to be restarted to get it to launch. This is kind of an important function for me.
I bought a new spare battery and a wall charger for it, so I can carry a fully charged spare in my wallet. Battery life is pretty impressive.

The biggest problems to solve at this point include the radio problem, and the need to choose a music player app.
Re: the latter- there is a default app but I have a 32 GB SD card in the mail and want to figure out what's best before getting it set up with music. If anyone knows anything that plays nice with iTunes that would be a plus (vision I think you said something about that in the past but I couldn't begin to guess which thread that's in.)


*would you call it a widget in this context?

welcome to "open" and good luck!

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welcome to "open" and good luck!

Why is "open" typed that way?

Seems weird the phone has an FM tuner, but no app? Did you factory reset the phone when you first bought it? Maybe there's something hinky?

Enjoy!

If I had time, I'd play with an Android phone myself.

Android Music PLayer, Rocket Player and iSyncr for Mac worked well with my ICS Sensation.
They are all JRTStudio apps.
I'm not sure that they are compatible with GB.
[play.google.com]

I doubt very much you're gonna have any success with the FM tuner apps.
Even on my new HTC One, it's weak. I use TuneIn. It works well and has lots of variety.
But of course it uses cell time if you're not near WiFi.

Apex may work as a better Launcher for that phone. It's quite customizable and reliable.

and this:

[forum.xda-developers.com]

or

[forum.xda-developers.com]

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welcome to "open" and good luck!

Why is "open" typed that way?

[www.eweek.com]

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why 'droid, you don't like iOS?

don't worry about the "two major releases" ago stuff. I have been satisfactorily using 2.x OS on Android for many years and have yet to find a situation where I've been dying to have the latest OS.



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welcome to "open" and good luck!

Why is "open" typed that way?

[www.eweek.com]

Binary blobs are a long standing problem. Hurts desktop OSes as well. The core of android is open source, I don't think Google's middleware is open source and yes, chipset vendors are often a problem as well.

The Kindle Fire and Nook line are proof of the open source component to Android.



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DoubleTwist can help sync your content to the phone, but drag and drop will likely work just as well on a Gingerbread device. I'd give the default music player a shot. Might be good enough for your needs.

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why 'droid, you don't like iOS?

Wanted to try it/learn it. Was frustrated with browsing on my 4th gen touch. And also save a bunch of money. The phone was <$50 plus the price of an SD card, vs ~$275 for an iPhone 4S with 32 GB.

All responses appreciated-- have to run out, will respond later!

I would give the stock music app a shot. You don't have to do too much to get going with it. Switching to another app shouldn't be a major transition.

older versions of the android OS are fine for users. although its a pain for developers. v2.x is slowly slowly slowly being left behind by developers.

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older versions of the android OS are fine for users. although its a pain for developers. v2.x is slowly slowly slowly being left behind by developers.

What's the pain? Immature SDK? Immature APIs?

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older versions of the android OS are fine for users. although its a pain for developers. v2.x is slowly slowly slowly being left behind by developers.

What's the pain? Immature SDK? Immature APIs?

i'm not sure about native. i do web stuff. i can't remember anything off the top of my head - the platform has a problem with lack of OS upgradability. iOS pretty much kicks ass at it as though its some sort of OS upgrading superhero. developers like this. then again, those with older devices seem to get left out eventually.

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iOS pretty much kicks ass at it as though its some sort of OS upgrading superhero. developers like this. then again, those with older devices seem to get left out eventually.

^ This

My son pretty much develops for the 2 most recent versions of iOS. He says this covers over 90% of the user base and the ones who don't upgrade are unlikely to pay for apps/in-app purchases.

But yes, newer API's usually simplify some coding.

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My son pretty much develops for the 2 most recent versions of iOS. He says this covers over 90% of the user base and the ones who don't upgrade are unlikely to pay for apps/in-app purchases.

I must be an exception. I would certainly pay for apps, but developers quickly left me behind. I find the situation on Android and to be more consumer friendly than iOS. I shouldn't be forced to upgrade and I should still have access to apps for my version of the OS.

Thanks!
Is "Android Music Player" the default music player in GB (the one that's just labeled "music?")
Re: JB for Android-- pretty consistent info across the nets that nobody has been able to root this phone with working drivers for the camera yet (probably will never happen)- so that's a no-go.
Internet radio is a no-go as well with only 500MB of data a month-- prefer OTA anyways.

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Android Music PLayer, Rocket Player and iSyncr for Mac worked well with my ICS Sensation.
They are all JRTStudio apps.
I'm not sure that they are compatible with GB.
[play.google.com]

I doubt very much you're gonna have any success with the FM tuner apps.
Even on my new HTC One, it's weak. I use TuneIn. It works well and has lots of variety.
But of course it uses cell time if you're not near WiFi.

Apex may work as a better Launcher for that phone. It's quite customizable and reliable.

and this:

[forum.xda-developers.com]

or

[forum.xda-developers.com]

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My son pretty much develops for the 2 most recent versions of iOS. He says this covers over 90% of the user base and the ones who don't upgrade are unlikely to pay for apps/in-app purchases.

I must be an exception. I would certainly pay for apps, but developers quickly left me behind. I find the situation on Android and to be more consumer friendly than iOS. I shouldn't be forced to upgrade and I should still have access to apps for my version of the OS.

Not sure where that 90% figure comes from. Pretty consistent info across the web says that the installed base is something approaching 25% for GB still, and theres still a chunk on earlier OSs. Most Android users I encounter in the wild are either on the very latest because they just got a new phone, or Gingerbread.

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older versions of the android OS are fine for users. although its a pain for developers. v2.x is slowly slowly slowly being left behind by developers.

What's the pain? Immature SDK? Immature APIs?

i'm not sure about native. i do web stuff. i can't remember anything off the top of my head - the platform has a problem with lack of OS upgradability. iOS pretty much kicks ass at it as though its some sort of OS upgrading superhero. developers like this. then again, those with older devices seem to get left out eventually.

Looking for about a year of use before moving up to something that runs JB. Or an iPhone 4S if a good deal on a 32GB comes my way.
I don't think I'm anything approaching a "power user"-- just need basic functions to work reliably- so not worried.
The most unexpected thing here is that I'm not finding the physical KB all that useful-- it seems to work OK in some apps but in others I either get repeating characters or omitted characters and spaces and have to make 4 attempts at typing every sentence.
So that benefit over an iPhone is kind of nill.

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don't worry about the "two major releases" ago stuff. I have been satisfactorily using 2.x OS on Android for many years and have yet to find a situation where I've been dying to have the latest OS.



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What phone do you have? Are you sure you don't have one?

I went through a few weeks of testing out various music players and reverted to the original Android player called "Music." I found all had some weirdness but, again, I was not inclined to pay more than a $.99 for some so perhaps the better apps really do exist but cost a few bob.

There is also "Play Music" which is the app you will need to sync with the Play Store. I find the Music app a bit stronger although it requires an extra click to get to the Library of songs but once there the GUI is slightly better.

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Hurts like a bastid...

The issue with Android is that each manufacturer has to create their own version of it for each of their phones. Then the individual carriers do their own tweaks. So, phones get left behind on OS upgrades much sooner than iOS devices.

I couldn't install Chrome on my company issued Galaxy S as I was stuck at 2.x on a 1.5 year old device.

Jobs was right to force the carriers to accept the iPhone as Apple wanted.

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My son pretty much develops for the 2 most recent versions of iOS. He says this covers over 90% of the user base

Not sure where that 90% figure comes from. Pretty consistent info across the web says that the installed base is something approaching 25% for GB still, and theres still a chunk on earlier OSs.

Apple sticks it to Android: 93% of iOS users on current software vs Android’s 33%

[play.google.com]

[www.jrtstudio.com]

"Internet radio is a no-go as well with only 500MB of data a month-- prefer OTA anyways."

the "radios" in these phones for OTA are a bastardization of OTA radio. As I said, even my new HTC One is weak.

The Nanopod radio is better.

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The issue with Android is that each manufacturer has to create their own version of it for each of their phones. Then the individual carriers do their own tweaks. So, phones get left behind on OS upgrades much sooner than iOS devices.

That explains what I'm seeing. And the hardware manufacturers have little incentive and plenty of disincentive to get your old hardware working with the new OS.

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I couldn't install Chrome on my company issued Galaxy S as I was stuck at 2.x on a 1.5 year old device.

Yup. That one's a bit of a head-scratcher for me-- why is Google effectively pushing people to upgrade their hardware?

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[play.google.com]

[www.jrtstudio.com]

"Internet radio is a no-go as well with only 500MB of data a month-- prefer OTA anyways."

the "radios" in these phones for OTA are a bastardization of OTA radio. As I said, even my new HTC One is weak.

The Nanopod radio is better.

Thanks Fritz. I'm not getting any of your links to load on my POS work computer-- will take a look tonight.

I'm having none of these Android problems that you all seem to be having. Anybody that says "The problem" is basically describing a non problem for most people. Most people get a new phone when they're eligible. Who wants to keep an old ass phone? Black mentions a 4s. That's like a 10 year old phone. The only current iPhones are the 5s and the 5c. Anything else is yesterday's donuts. Why would you want that phone? Why would you want an elderly Droid with a physical keyboard? Use Swype. You're service can't flash an Evo 4G Lte or something similar? You can buy that phone for $100 on Ebay? JB 4.3 will be available for it by December. Use Google Play for music. It's free and you can "pin" whatever songs you want to your device, and it's constantly updated.

If there are limits on data, then the phone is effectively crippled really. iOS is awesome, but Android is no less awesome. It's really ignorant to believe otherwise. It's good to have choices because each of these companies want us to be their exclusive technology slaves beholding to them alone.

Vision,

I have to respectfully disagree with your assertion about sticking with an older phone. Many people choose to stick with their existing older model phone for a slew of reasons. Price, not enough new features to make it worthwhile, an investment in accessories compatible with the old model and not the latest and greatest that'll prove expensive to replace (if replacement is even possible), no interest in a new phone, etc. Many many reasons.

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Vision,

I have to respectfully disagree with your assertion about sticking with an older phone. Many people choose to stick with their existing older model phone for a slew of reasons. Price, not enough new features to make it worthwhile, an investment in accessories compatible with the old model and not the latest and greatest that'll prove expensive to replace (if replacement is even possible), no interest in a new phone, etc. Many many reasons.

Robert

A discerning man such as yourself, of course, will make informed technology choices which will allow you to maximize the effective lifespan of these devices. You are in the minority. The rest of us lust for new gear because it's dazzling and new. However, I do believe strongly in avoiding being hamstrung by unreasonable data limits regardless.

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Who wants to keep an old ass phone? Black mentions a 4s. That's like a 10 year old phone. The only current iPhones are the 5s and the 5c.

The 4s is barely 3 years old, if that. And you can still buy a 4s through Apple (well, if you sign a contract, it's "free"). My wife still has a 4s. I have a 4. I will be getting a 5s in the next few months, but I'm not in a major rush to get a new one because frankly there's nothing wrong with my current phone. It does everything I need it to.

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I'm having none of these Android problems that you all seem to be having. Anybody that says "The problem" is basically describing a non problem for most people. Most people get a new phone when they're eligible. Who wants to keep an old ass phone? Black mentions a 4s. That's like a 10 year old phone. The only current iPhones are the 5s and the 5c. Anything else is yesterday's donuts. Why would you want that phone? Why would you want an elderly Droid with a physical keyboard? Use Swype. You're service can't flash an Evo 4G Lte or something similar? You can buy that phone for $100 on Ebay? JB 4.3 will be available for it by December. Use Google Play for music. It's free and you can "pin" whatever songs you want to your device, and it's constantly updated.

If there are limits on data, then the phone is effectively crippled really. iOS is awesome, but Android is no less awesome. It's really ignorant to believe otherwise. It's good to have choices because each of these companies want us to be their exclusive technology slaves beholding to them alone.

A 1 to 2 year old phone is not an old ass phone. Most 1 year old Android's can't be upgraded to the latest OS as either the manufacturer or the carrier hasn't released an update. There may be unauthorized updates available, but the average user or corporate device user can't use these upgrades.

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Who wants to keep an old ass phone? Black mentions a 4s. That's like a 10 year old phone. The only current iPhones are the 5s and the 5c.

The 4s is barely 3 years old, if that. And you can still buy a 4s through Apple (well, if you sign a contract, it's "free"). My wife still has a 4s. I have a 4. I will be getting a 5s in the next few months, but I'm not in a major rush to get a new one because frankly there's nothing wrong with my current phone. It does everything I need it to.

That's cool. But it's still yesterday's technology. None of those 4's can access LTE. That's flavor country. I'm glad it's still useful though. If I had a 4s, I'd wait for what will hopefully be a larger screened iPhone 6. I do have a 5 which is my secondary device.

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Vision,

I have to respectfully disagree with your assertion about sticking with an older phone. Many people choose to stick with their existing older model phone for a slew of reasons. Price, not enough new features to make it worthwhile, an investment in accessories compatible with the old model and not the latest and greatest that'll prove expensive to replace (if replacement is even possible), no interest in a new phone, etc. Many many reasons.

Robert

A discerning man such as yourself, of course, will make informed technology choices which will allow you to maximize the effective lifespan of these devices. You are in the minority. The rest of us lust for new gear because it's dazzling and new. However, I do believe strongly in avoiding being hamstrung by unreasonable data limits regardless.

$30/month plan, 500 MB. I barely use 250, although this month will be a little different due to app and widget dl's. How much would it cost me to have so much bandwidth that I could use a streaming music service that I wouldn't really want anyways?

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Vision,

I have to respectfully disagree with your assertion about sticking with an older phone. Many people choose to stick with their existing older model phone for a slew of reasons. Price, not enough new features to make it worthwhile, an investment in accessories compatible with the old model and not the latest and greatest that'll prove expensive to replace (if replacement is even possible), no interest in a new phone, etc. Many many reasons.

Robert

A discerning man such as yourself, of course, will make informed technology choices which will allow you to maximize the effective lifespan of these devices. You are in the minority. The rest of us lust for new gear because it's dazzling and new. However, I do believe strongly in avoiding being hamstrung by unreasonable data limits regardless.

$30/month plan, 500 MB. I barely use 250, although this month will be a little different due to app and widget dl's. How much would it cost me to have so much bandwidth that I could use a streaming music service that I wouldn't really want anyways?

It would be impossible for me to use that tiny amount of data. With Metro PCS I can go unlimited for than $60 bucks. I don't use them but I would if I had to. I surf and watch boucoup YouTube videos, Yelp, GPS maps all the time. I use gigabytes worth of data per month. Google Play streams your own music. You can opt to put it on your device.

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The issue with Android is that each manufacturer has to create their own version of it for each of their phones. Then the individual carriers do their own tweaks. So, phones get left behind on OS upgrades much sooner than iOS devices.

I couldn't install Chrome on my company issued Galaxy S as I was stuck at 2.x on a 1.5 year old device.

Jobs was right to force the carriers to accept the iPhone as Apple wanted.

This isn't 100% correct. Not all manufacturers do custom skins. Not all phones go through the carriers for updates. It depends.

While you couldn't install Chrome, you could install most other alternate browsers. Which contrasts strongly with iOS, where no OS updates means no new browser, since all real browsers on iOS are simply shells around Webkit. Being "left behind" by updates on Android has proven much less traumatic than iOS. While it would be nice if manufacturers/carriers to always be on the ball with phone updates, older versions of Android are very livable. Well, anything 2.3 and up. Froyo is still sort of supported as well. Anything older is likely to struggle.

The iPhone isn't perfect even with tight Apple control. There have been features blocked by carriers, most famously tethering, but also things like FaceTime over 3G.



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Vision,

I have to respectfully disagree with your assertion about sticking with an older phone. Many people choose to stick with their existing older model phone for a slew of reasons. Price, not enough new features to make it worthwhile, an investment in accessories compatible with the old model and not the latest and greatest that'll prove expensive to replace (if replacement is even possible), no interest in a new phone, etc. Many many reasons.

I also disagree on a personal level. I have three lines on my family plan, with a 2012 Xperia Ion, a few month old Huawei Prism II (just replaced a 2.5 year old T-Mobile Comet), and a 2009 Nokia e72 for phones. I clearly enjoy entry level and /or older phone hardware. My reasons focus on keeping down non subsidized phone cost and the related desire of keeping off any contract, which lowers my monthly plan cost.

However, let's be honest, most people in the USA still use major carriers that either subsidize the phone cost with a contract or provide monthly payment plans for phone purchases. There's little incentive not to take advantage of the new phone every two year offer for the average mobile phone subscriber in the USA. Which I think is the point vision is trying to make.



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the T-Mo Comet - that's my phone! mine is 3 yrs old and still running strong, including MANY drops which have bashed other phones I have (work). it's just too bad the screen is so bad, otherwise a neat phone. and this is the one with the FM tuner!!

While I do think Apple should have offered the iPhone 4S with LTE as it was their only phone released for that year (adding forward thinking features proves even more important with such a limited release schedule), LTE isn't a big deal for most users. When your data cap is likely 2GB or less, raw transfer rate becomes less of a concern. Anything 1Mbps and up is likely pretty usable for most people on account of their data caps.

Furthermore, most GSM users and some Sprint users (WiMAX) have been enjoying faster speeds for years priors to widespread LTE adoption. As such, Verizon and non WiMAX Sprint users seem to be the biggest proponents of LTE. Likely on account of slow CDMA speeds.



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welcome to "open" and good luck!

Why is "open" typed that way?

I think it's because "decay" realizes that Android isn't open.

[arstechnica.com]

Now maybe you do too!

Article Accelerator,
Your link would seem to echo my earlier post. Probably easier if you had at least recognized I already touched on this issue.

Android is open. Companies can and do release Android forks that are debranded of some or all of Google's services. How do you think the Nook and Kindle were created? What about the various Chinese Android distros? I believe Ubuntu mobile and Firefox OS are built on top of the Android kernel.

I don't think Google's full Android package has ever been 100% FLOSS and likely never will be. Yes, that does bother some of advocates from the community. I understand and appreciate the viewpoint.

Frankly, I'm not sure you are decay have shown any real appreciation or understanding of the discussion posted in either link. One seemingly dealing with closed source binary blobs hindering porting of AOSP and the other about Google pushing more of the core apps into Google's closed middleware.

The former is a longtime problem with Linux and other Free or open source OSes. Want change? Start petitioning the manufacturers or vote with your wallet. The latter is likely simultaneously good and bad. Good in the since it allows Google to updates apps irrespective of the OS version. Bad if you are uncomfortable with Google's increasing control of the core stewardship of Android. It is probably worth understanding that many current Android devices are branded by manufacturers or carriers to not have many of those stock apps anyway. I'm pretty sure my Xperia Ion has Sony designed music, movie, and photo gallery apps. I think the SMS app is different as well. I can send doodles from within the messaging app, I don't think that's a stock Android feature, but I could be wrong. There are other changes to Sony's Android of course.



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Android connection to Ubuntu touch:
[wiki.ubuntu.com]

Firefox OS connection to Android:
[developer.mozilla.org]

Not to diminish the hard work of these projects, just pointing out how the openness of Android benefited other non Google projects.



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silvarios, you are missing the point. Google's nightmare is for them to build a quality-enough open source Android that Samsung, Amazon, B&N, HTC, and LG all build Android devices running OS versions that do not use ANY google services (i.e. Bing). Then Google would not make any money off those devices.

Samsung already has a parallel platform of services on the assumption google will try to monetize Android at the expense of Samsung.

Saying 'Android is open' is like saying 'Safari on iOS is open'. Yes, the core of Android, and the webkit core underlying Safari, are open. Google is already forking webkit for Chrome development.

In 5 years, there will not be ANY truly open Android platforms anymore. There will be flavors - google, samsung, amazon. All competing with their own app stores, etc., with iOS and microsoft.

EDIT: Please do not take this note as negative, Black! I hope you have fun playing with the current Android ecosystem. I've enjoyed using windows 8, even though I am not intending on spending a lot of time with it right now. I wish I has spent that time playing with Android.



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Welcome to the club, B. It will work out fine. Mainly I like larger displays and iPhone hasn't done that till now. I'm on 4.1.2. Will probably upgrade soon.

sekker,
Except that's kind of the scenario now. I like my Sony movies app, if I switch devices, can I use that app? Like the HTC camera app? Better not get a Galaxy S4. Bought apps on the Nook app store? Can't move those to any non Nook devices.

The core is likely still compatible and if you are able to install the same app store, you can migrate most apps. Spinning apps off the ROM actually helps here. The Google app store was never really open, was it? There are at least a half dozen Android app stores now. I guess I don't understand the point.

As far as Google forking Webkit being a bad thing? I don't get that at all. More web engines is likely better for the market. Many tech people were recently bemoaning the increased likelihood of a Webkit monoculture. Also, Apple created Webkit by forking another project, KHTML, and then proceeded to engage the community with sloppy code dumps back to KHTML. Hard to make Apple a white knight when it comes to Webkit stewardship. There's already been some uptake of Blink with other browser makers, like Opera. I'm fine with it. I also think Samsung working with Mozilla on a new browser seems neat. Not sure anything will come of it.



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sekker,
It just seems like desktop Linux already exists in the same way and most people still think Linux is open. If you can take code and fork it, most people consider that open. CyanogenMod exists because of the openness of Android. I'm glad for it.

I also think you may have things backwards. Samsung have always been playing their own game and have done more to splinter Android than most other parties. And you know what? I don't blame them. Some people actually like Samsung's additions. Let them do their thing.

Edit: The ability to fork is what will prevent a Google dominated monoculture, and I am definitely okay with that. If enough compatibility persists where most apps will still work cross platform, then user are probably alright.



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Silvarios,

I don’t know. Vision didn’t say that. He was specifically referencing people wanting the latest and greatest rather than sticking with an existing but older model phone. If he meant what you said, then I wish he’d say it from the start because it’s very different than your assertion.

Robert