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Will smart phones w/cameras end Canon's sub $200 point and shoots?
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: February 26, 2014 08:26AM
IMHO, Canon would be smart to get put of this space. The margins are thin and the customer base is shrinking. Nikon indicates they are going to continue with a push to make cameras connect to the net. We'll see if Canon makes an official move someday but the rumor is interesting.



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Re: Will smart phones w/cameras end Canon's sub $200 point and shoots?
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: February 26, 2014 08:40AM
Point and shoot cameras, even the sub $200 ones, still produce better pictures than cellphone cameras. I know a lot of people who still use them instead of their iphone camera. I'd say they still have at least 5 years maybe 10 before the phones catch up.



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Re: Will smart phones w/cameras end Canon's sub $200 point and shoots?
Posted by: davemchine
Date: February 26, 2014 08:51AM
I just bought a canon sub 200 dollar camera with 20x optical zoom. No iPhone is going to match that!



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Re: Will smart phones w/cameras end Canon's sub $200 point and shoots?
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: February 26, 2014 11:35AM
If the digicam makers focus (no pun intended) on QUALITY, and market that way, showing dark muddy cell phone camera output, compared to their bright sharp pictures... they'll last.
And yes, getting a digicam that connects directly via WiFi would be great.



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Re: Will smart phones w/cameras end Canon's sub $200 point and shoots?
Posted by: Buzz
Date: February 26, 2014 05:22PM
I picked up our Canon SX230 for well under $200 a couple of years back, and there's no camera phone that is anywhere near as versatile over all...




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Re: Will smart phones w/cameras end Canon's sub $200 point and shoots?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: February 26, 2014 05:37PM
Cellphone cameras are getting better, quickly.

Look at flicker and similar sites to see how many pics come from iPhones compared to any other source.

And as the cliché goes, the best camera is the one you have with you. And more people will have cellphones with cameras with them than cameras without cellphones.


I just bought a canon sub 200 dollar camera with 20x optical zoom. No iPhone cellphone camera is going to match that!

Fixed.

True enough.

What was the original MSRP on that camera? Sub-$200? Great.

But I think that will be the exception to the rule. For me, a huge optical zoom is the only real advantage of a small PnS. That and replaceable batteries.

But all of that is pretty much irrelevant. It's all about numbers. Just as Apple has made many of us unhappy by streamlining features of apps and iron to a mainstream majority, Canon could benefit by doing the same.

It will boil down to-- does it pay to maintain the sub-$200 PnS category? When it looks like it's becoming a lose-leader item, I think Canon will bail. They've got too many makes and models so as to confuse the customer, they could probably do well to drop that category.

I wonder though, if Canon and Nikon drop that line, would that hurt the progress of phone-cameras?


I'd say they still have at least 5 years maybe 10 before the phones catch up.

I'd say at the most 5 years. They will not ever have a 10x or better internal optical zoom, so they can never catch up on that point.

The *merits* of actual cameras aside, I see the day coming, in 5 years or less, where it just won't pay to maintain a decent camera in this range because there just won't be a customer base to support it.






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Re: Will smart phones w/cameras end Canon's sub $200 point and shoots?
Posted by: sekker
Date: February 26, 2014 06:01PM
This iPhone 5s camera is awesome - fast, great in low light, and great internet connectivity.

It's the first iPhone camera that completely replaced my Canon point and shoot.

I think that market is dead. The only reason it's not is that android manufacturers are not using state of the art cameras.
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Re: Will smart phones w/cameras end Canon's sub $200 point and shoots?
Posted by: davemchine
Date: February 26, 2014 06:04PM
RAM,

I bought the Canon SX280, [www.amazon.com] , currently $188 on Amazon. I received the sale price of $169 by using the Traktor service suggested here. It is very small, has the 20x optical zoom, 12mp, so it fits my needs very well. It also does wifi to my iPhone if desired although people here have said it is a battery drain. I haven't had it very long so I don't really have any criticisms other than the plastic feel but given the price I don't mind. My wife uses the, even smaller, Canon ELPH 520. It cost $107 and has 12x optical zoom. [www.amazon.com]



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Re: Will smart phones w/cameras end Canon's sub $200 point and shoots?
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: February 26, 2014 06:34PM
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This iPhone 5s camera is awesome - fast, great in low light, and great internet connectivity.

It's the first iPhone camera that completely replaced my Canon point and shoot.

I think that market is dead. The only reason it's not is that android manufacturers are not using state of the art cameras.

What's the zoom on that iPhone camera?

I hear that P&S cameras come with 3x and some have more than that. Like 5x!
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Re: Will smart phones w/cameras end Canon's sub $200 point and shoots?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: February 26, 2014 06:48PM
dave

You got a great deal, and if I didn't already have the SX40, I'd probably grab one. I even thought about it anyway when I saw it in your other thread.

But this isn't a sub-$200 camera as MSRP is $279. It's a year old now and it appears that it's being cleared out. The Elph was $299.

Then my question then is-- can Canon continue to compete/operate profitably in the sub-$200 category. Is there enough markup in that class for sustainability or are their higher end lines subsidizing that one.

I don't think they can, or should, at this point.






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Re: Will smart phones w/cameras end Canon's sub $200 point and shoots?
Posted by: davemchine
Date: February 26, 2014 06:51PM
Wish I had an SX40. I love the zoom on those cameras.



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