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Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: PeterB
Date: March 29, 2014 09:39PM
... thinking about adopting. I've thought about it before, but not sure how he/she'd get along with the hamsters.

If adopting, are there some particular things I ought to look out for, ask about, be careful about, etc. ... ?

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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: Jack D.
Date: March 29, 2014 09:44PM
The cat may or may not like the hamsters. Depends on what kind of dipping sauce they come with.



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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: Spock
Date: March 29, 2014 09:53PM
Get the pussy a good disguise.





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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: Don C
Date: March 29, 2014 09:54PM
When my adoptee arrived he leapt from his travel cage and ran for a bed under which he hid for several hours. We just carried on our normal routine and after a while he started peeking out and exploring. Letting him adapt at his own pace worked for us.

I think we may have put the litter box on the main floor so he would find it quickly and once he was comfortable in the house we moved it a room at a time to the basement where it now resides in a stairwell.

You might keep him out of the room with the hamsters, if that is possible, until he adapts to the rest of the house. He'll discover that room soon enough; I would think you would want to be there when he first gets to see the cages.
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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: PeterB
Date: March 29, 2014 09:58PM
No possibility that the kitty would not see the hamsters, but since they're all in aquariums in racks, there's virtually no way the cat could get to them. That doesn't mean s/he couldn't see them and think wishfully of dining, though. grinning smiley




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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: March 29, 2014 10:15PM
I think you'll be OK adopting from the Humane Society or a kitty rescue outfit. Those cats are inspected and vaccinated. I'd probably go for a kitten, but I've seen lots of really adorable adult cats a year or older. With the older cats you will want to find out as much as you can about behavior and temperament.

Good luck!



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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: March 29, 2014 10:17PM
Foster with the intent to adopt. Most rescue groups will let you do that. If it doesn't work out, you can try a different kitty.
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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: TL
Date: March 29, 2014 10:35PM
Dont trust that a cat can't get into the aquariums. I thought small creatures would be safe in those too. That thought went out the window in my teens when I found the family cat happily playing with my pet gerbils while sitting in the middle of their aquarium. Cats tend to be very smart, and can be highly motivated when the mood strikes.

With that caution, I'm all for bringing a shelter cat into one's life. My own is snoozing on my lap right now. Try to spend some serious time at the shelter getting to know the prospective new household resident before making a final decision. You want it to be right for you but also for the cat. Also, don't overlook adult cats. They may not be as fuzzy-cute as kittens, but you do a great deed when you take one home. They are less likely to be adopted, but can make fantastic companions and may be more settled than a kitten.
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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: March 29, 2014 10:44PM
Get to your own vet ASAP. Shelter vets are often too busy to catch even obvious issues. And don't forget the fecal flotation test.
...

The age of the cat make a huge difference in how it should be treated for the first few weeks.

Best to keep a kitten in a bedroom for the first few weeks rather than letting it run around the house, and don't let it free in the house unsupervised... My rule of thumb is when a kitten casually makes it over the child-gate at the bedroom door, that's when the gate can come down and the cat can run free around the house.

(Grab a child-gate at Toys R Us for a few bucks.)
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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: Speedy
Date: March 29, 2014 11:00PM
Declaw right away.



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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: March 29, 2014 11:29PM
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Declaw right away.

And when you have kids, chop off their fingertips...

( thats a counter opinion on declawing..)



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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: March 29, 2014 11:59PM
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Speedy
Declaw right away.

ABSOLUTELY NOT! angry villagers smiley

Never declaw cats. If you want to keep your furniture etc. pristine, you cannot have a cat.



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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: PeterB
Date: March 30, 2014 01:25AM
Ugh. Let's not get into the declaw/don't declaw debate.

This is a local person, not a shelter, wanting to adopt out. He claims it's because the cat is being attacked by his other cat (he adopted the cat he wants to give away from one of the local pet stores, and claims to have all the accompanying paperwork). Said kitty is in good health according to him, other than being skittish from having been attacked by the other cat.

As for the hamsters, it's probably true that a cat could get in there if really motivated to do so-- it's just that to do so, said cat would probably have to bring down an entire arrangement of shelving. If that happened, said kitty would be gone... that'd be a level of destructiveness I don't think I could tolerate. So it really depends on the cat-- some are just uninterested, others are feline agents of Satan. devil smiley




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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: Octave Doctor
Date: March 30, 2014 04:58AM
True enough, you'll just have to see how the kitty responds. Some cats aren't natural hunters--they're natural "waiting to be fed", lol.
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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: Pam
Date: March 30, 2014 05:31AM
You can train a cat to leave the hamsters alone. I had a cockatiel that was allowed to fly and go where it wanted at times. The cats came after the bird and were taught from the start to not mess with the bird. Until trained though you need to protect the hamsters.
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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: March 30, 2014 08:14AM
Our Kittehs think it's a great idea.

( they have rescued lost hamsters and guinea pigs , thinking they were kittens . And corralled the little critters , announced their find , and then cuddled and washed them .)
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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: PeterB
Date: March 30, 2014 08:33AM
Yeah, there's always this:



... sometimes they treat them as little kittens, rather than hamsters...




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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: March 30, 2014 09:51AM
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Speedy
Declaw right away.

And while you're at it, amputate the end of each of your fingers. You'll never have to worry about cleaning your nails again, and you'll be good as ever afterward.

I have a few clients with elderly declawed cats. These cats are walking around on their front ankles now. It's not pretty, and judging by the limping, not very pleasant for the cat. I haven't yet seen this particular defect in old cats with intact paws. Vets should be ashamed to carry out this painful mutilation, but most of them are very sanguine about this particular source of income.
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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: Janit
Date: March 30, 2014 10:11AM
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PeterB
Ugh. Let's not get into the declaw/don't declaw debate.

This is a local person, not a shelter, wanting to adopt out. He claims it's because the cat is being attacked by his other cat (he adopted the cat he wants to give away from one of the local pet stores, and claims to have all the accompanying paperwork). Said kitty is in good health according to him, other than being skittish from having been attacked by the other cat.

As for the hamsters, it's probably true that a cat could get in there if really motivated to do so-- it's just that to do so, said cat would probably have to bring down an entire arrangement of shelving. If that happened, said kitty would be gone... that'd be a level of destructiveness I don't think I could tolerate. So it really depends on the cat-- some are just uninterested, others are feline agents of Satan. devil smiley

Just do be careful that your shelving system is well anchored and balanced. Cats love high places, and a cliffside populated by small critters will be all the more interesting even if the cat is not specifically looking to eat them. Evaluate whether your structure can withstand both climbing by the cat, and a spring-loaded launch when the cat decides to jump from the top to an adjacent piece of furniture.

Also, providing an easily climbed "cat tree" might satisfy the cat's interest in heights enough to distract it from the hamster-cliff. Whenever the cat tries to climb the shelves, you can displace it to the cat tree.



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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: March 30, 2014 10:15AM
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ka jowct
I have a few clients with elderly declawed cats. These cats are walking around on their front ankles now. It's not pretty, and judging by the limping, not very pleasant for the cat. I haven't yet seen this particular defect in old cats with intact paws. Vets should be ashamed to carry out this painful mutilation, but most of them are very sanguine about this particular source of income.

Whatever ailed those cats, it had nothing to do with declawing. What you're describing is not a consequence of declawing. Cats are especially prone to arthritis as they age and my guess is that's what you saw.

And while vets who started their practices 30 years ago or more may be quite sanguine about declawing, the vast majority of them are opposed to it.
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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: $tevie
Date: March 30, 2014 12:19PM
I adopted a cat that was already declawed. It is the only cat I've ever owned which had litter box issues, and that's not uncommon with declawed cats. He's skittish and easily frightened, which I attribute to knowing that he has lost half his ability to fight back. Some of them bite, as well, since they don't have their claws to use as warning/protection. I would much rather figure out how to protect my furniture than figure out how to clean up urine and poop and bite marks, which are all possibilities when you mutilate a cat like that. I will think twice before adopting another declawed cat, although this one is so sweet and smart that it's been worth the bother to me (however, I doubt someone who thinks it's okay to declaw would have had my patience). Anyhow, I committed to take him so I have made it work for both of us.



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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: March 30, 2014 12:51PM
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$tevie
I adopted a cat that was already declawed. It is the only cat I've ever owned which had litter box issues...

I had a cat who would never pee in the litter box and often pooped outside of the box.

With much work, I figured out that he simply liked to pee and poop on the hard tile floor of the laundry room, and I solved the problem using a combination of putting a tile in the litter box and taping bubble wrap to the floor to give it an uncomfortable texture... Until my family decided that they didn't like the bubble wrap on the laundry room floor and pulled it up.

He wasn't declawed.
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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: A-Polly
Date: March 30, 2014 12:53PM
I hope you and the kitty liked each other!
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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: $tevie
Date: March 30, 2014 02:51PM
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$tevie
I adopted a cat that was already declawed. It is the only cat I've ever owned which had litter box issues...

I had a cat who would never pee in the litter box and often pooped outside of the box.

With much work, I figured out that he simply liked to pee and poop on the hard tile floor of the laundry room, and I solved the problem using a combination of putting a tile in the litter box and taping bubble wrap to the floor to give it an uncomfortable texture... Until my family decided that they didn't like the bubble wrap on the laundry room floor and pulled it up.

He wasn't declawed.

I'm not saying litter box issues are restricted to declawed cats. I'm saying that declawed cats are prone to litter box issues. I have several friends who are involved in cat rescue who will back me up on this.

PS: It's great that you worked to figure out what the cat wanted in terms of his litter box, instead of dumping it at a shelter. Seriously, you deserve a pat on the back.



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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: billb
Date: March 30, 2014 04:00PM
Some of the more civilized countries of the world , those that extend the basics of living rights to animals have made declawing illegal for being the inhumane and barbaric mutilation that the practice is.
The equivalent in a human would be removing the last bone in every one of your fingers, not just your fingernails



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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: August West
Date: March 30, 2014 04:01PM
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,,, there's virtually no way the cat could get to them.

hehehehehe



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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: Speedy
Date: March 30, 2014 04:04PM
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Speedy
Declaw right away.

ABSOLUTELY NOT! angry villagers smiley

Never declaw cats. If you want to keep your furniture etc. pristine, you cannot have a cat.

I retract my suggestion. My apologies to all the cat people. I just hate getting scratched when I stuff a cat in a burlap sack containing a brick.



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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: March 30, 2014 05:39PM
Why do some people always want to chime in with that kind of vicious nonsense?

Chak, the condition I am talking about is one I have ONLY seen in old declawed cats. I have dealt with a lot of elderly cats. I'm sure there is arthritis involved, but why? Perhaps because not having normal feet has gradually caused problems. They don't walk "up" on their feet like intact cats. They are walking on the back part of the foot and the ankle. I have also seen this way of walking in a very young cat who was having a very hard time recovering from declawing.

Very few vets where I live will refuse to do it. My own vet thinks nothing of it, the only thing I don't like about that practice.
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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: PeterB
Date: March 30, 2014 06:27PM
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A-Polly
I hope you and the kitty liked each other!

There was the rub. Said kitty seemed to like me, but I wasn't crazy about her. She was a bit too aggressively friendly for my tastes... almost like a dog. I tend to like sweeter, gentler cats.




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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: March 30, 2014 06:57PM
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PeterB
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A-Polly
I hope you and the kitty liked each other!

There was the rub. Said kitty seemed to like me, but I wasn't crazy about her. She was a bit too aggressively friendly for my tastes... almost like a dog. I tend to like sweeter, gentler cats.

Keep looking then! You'll find one. I'm sure this is totally anecdotal, but I've found that boy cats tend to be a little less "idjity" than girls.



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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: March 30, 2014 07:10PM
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ka jowct
Why do some people always want to chime in with that kind of vicious nonsense?

I'm going to assume that this was not meant as a response to my post.


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ka jowct
Very few vets where I live will refuse to do it. My own vet thinks nothing of it, the only thing I don't like about that practice.

I don't know where you live. I've lived many places on both East and West coasts and have not encountered a vet who was agreeable to declawing in many years. Not since I was a child.

It's certainly not up to current professional standards.


(Sorry about all of the edits.)



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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: mattkime
Date: March 30, 2014 09:10PM
i've lived with cats and birds in the same house - just like anything you'd eat, if the food sits out too long they're no longer interested. ;)

I would be concerned about a clever cat going to surprising lengths to get that the hamsters. then again, a lot of cats wouldn't care. (why would i eat that? it sound NOTHING like a can of tuna!)

you might take a photo of your hamster setup to field advice on making it cat proof. my cat can open certain varieties of childproof locks so i consider myself an expert in this field of battle.

after a lifetime of living with cats i still learned a lot from this book - [www.amazon.com]

final note - i think its really cool when people adopt older cats. they need love too. a kitten's personality will change before they become an adult. there's some training that can be easier when they're young but otherwise behaviors that have become set that are problems are definitely outliers.

POST PICS WHEN YOU BRING HIM HOME.



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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: billb
Date: March 30, 2014 09:55PM
maybe you should be looking for russian pussy



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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: March 30, 2014 10:14PM
Why do some people always want to chime in with that kind of vicious nonsense?

I oft wonder this myself.

It happens on many levels and on various topics.

At the very least I see it as Man's inhumanity to Man being extended to all God's creatures. And even if the brick and burlap remark was meant as a joke, to what end? It's a matter of levels.

It's certainly goes beyond someone not being a cat-person or a dog-person.

If I had to guess, the aberration is testosterone-based psychological dysfunction for the most part, resulting in taking umbrage to a smaller creature's independence.






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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: Speedy
Date: March 30, 2014 10:34PM
Might be the uselessness of most cats, especially compared to dogs. Or it might have to do with the large number of feral cats and the damage they do.



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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: March 30, 2014 10:59PM
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Speedy
Might be the uselessness of most cats, especially compared to dogs. Or it might have to do with the large number of feral cats and the damage they do.

Or, more likely, it has to with you just being a jerk.



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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: March 31, 2014 12:14AM
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$tevie
PS: It's great that you worked to figure out what the cat wanted in terms of his litter box, instead of dumping it at a shelter. Seriously, you deserve a pat on the back.

I had to think about that for awhile. That's a strange logical leap.

I don't know that I would ever consider "dumping it at a shelter" a viable option, short of a family tragedy.

I certainly never considered such a thing for Stinky. He was family.
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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: April 05, 2014 08:20AM
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Speedy
Might be the uselessness of most cats, especially compared to dogs. Or it might have to do with the large number of feral cats and the damage they do.

That response is almost a cliche, given how often it's used to justify vicious attitudes about cats. Something nasty is behind it, and is worthy of some honest self-evaluation.
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Re: Going tomorrow to see a feline...
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: April 05, 2014 08:26AM
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Why do some people always want to chime in with that kind of vicious nonsense?

I'm going to assume that this was not meant as a response to my post.


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ka jowct
Very few vets where I live will refuse to do it. My own vet thinks nothing of it, the only thing I don't like about that practice.

I don't know where you live. I've lived many places on both East and West coasts and have not encountered a vet who was agreeable to declawing in many years. Not since I was a child.

It's certainly not up to current professional standards.


(Sorry about all of the edits.)

In NYC, you would have a tough time finding a vet who would refuse to declaw. Too many people with too much invested in furniture, who have convinced themselves that cats bounce right back from the surgery, with no ill-effects. And the comment about vicious nonsense is directed at Speedy, who has felt rhe need to jump in with similar comments about drowning cats on other occasions. It's disturbing.
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