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It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: May 27, 2014 01:09PM
LG announces their G3 phone.

Some interesting features, notably a 5.5" 2555x1440 display. And a Content Lock feature so you perverts can loan your phone to somebody to make a call and not have your dirty little secrets revealed.

But a "Knock Code"? Taps, I assume.

Way too big for a phone for me, but apparently there are some headphones available, similar to the Tone 700s I use with my 'Phone.

If you need/want big-screen portable device with phone capability, this might be worth a look.


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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: May 27, 2014 01:26PM
No Toon can resist !

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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: May 27, 2014 01:26PM
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: May 27, 2014 01:28PM
So the new megahertz race is the megapixel display race in phones? That resolution is mega overkill, but it's more than anyone else's!!! Buy it!!!
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: May 27, 2014 01:33PM
When they can take images like this one (AND store them), I'm interested.

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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: silvarios
Date: May 27, 2014 01:57PM
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Lew Zealand
So the new megahertz race is the megapixel display race in phones? That resolution is mega overkill, but it's more than anyone else's!!! Buy it!!!

Yet, when Apple keeps upping the res on their hardware…
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: silvarios
Date: May 27, 2014 01:57PM
Wasn't the knock to unlock also present on the G3's predecessor?
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: rz
Date: May 27, 2014 02:23PM
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silvarios
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Lew Zealand
So the new megahertz race is the megapixel display race in phones? That resolution is mega overkill, but it's more than anyone else's!!! Buy it!!!

Yet, when Apple keeps upping the res on their hardware…

Couldn't resist getting in a dig about Apple, could you?
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: May 27, 2014 03:18PM
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rz
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Lew Zealand
So the new megahertz race is the megapixel display race in phones? That resolution is mega overkill, but it's more than anyone else's!!! Buy it!!!

Yet, when Apple keeps upping the res on their hardware…

Couldn't resist getting in a dig about Apple, could you?

I think that's a pretty fair assessment by Silvarios; it's one of the features that Apple touted so vociferously just a couple of years ago, with good reason.
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: silvarios
Date: May 27, 2014 03:40PM
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rz
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silvarios
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Lew Zealand
So the new megahertz race is the megapixel display race in phones? That resolution is mega overkill, but it's more than anyone else's!!! Buy it!!!

Yet, when Apple keeps upping the res on their hardware…

Couldn't resist getting in a dig about Apple, could you?

Couldn't resist trolling people from thread to thread, could you? smiling smiley

Seriously, the headline seemed to be an intentional play on Apple release Tuesday. Isn't Apple rumored to be releasing a larger screen iPhone? Doesn't Apple strictly compete with these sorts of high end smart phones? Isn't Apple one of the biggest proponents of high res displays? Are any of these things inherently negative?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/27/2014 03:41PM by silvarios.
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: silvarios
Date: May 27, 2014 03:53PM
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mrbigstuff
I think that's a pretty fair assessment by Silvarios; it's one of the features that Apple touted so vociferously just a couple of years ago, with good reason.

Thank you. Clearly, I don't think higher res displays are a bad thing. I loved the display on my iPad 3. My 720p cell phone is rather neat as well.

Yet, I do see Lew's original point, pointless spec races do happen, and specs are not always as important as manufacturers want us to think. I'm happily typing this on a 3.5" 480x320 res device. Granted, it might have an IPS display as viewing angles are pretty decent.

Not sure why rz assumes I'm slamming Apple by mentioning a mostly neutral to positive fact about Apple?
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: neophyte
Date: May 27, 2014 04:12PM
The Knock code had been in the Android OS for many years. When you start up an Android phone for the first time, it wants to go through a set-up process, but this could be bypassed by touching all four corners of the screen sequentially starting with the top left corner and proceeding clockwise. The phone would then go right to the home screen. Thus you could demo a phone right out of the box.

The LG G3 has the new Snapdragon 801 processor running at 2.45 GHz with an improved GPU, so it should be able to handle hi res image processing without lag. The G3 also has 2 or 3 GB of RAM, which is important when you load it with lots of little apps that run in the background. And 24GB of available memory for the user, with a micro SD card slot capable of supporting a 128GB (!) card. I don't know if such a card is available yet.

All-in-all, it seems like LG has finally decided to produce a high-end Android device. Good competition against the top end Samsung S series.

I used to sell phones for VerizonWireless but have been out of that business for over a year and a half. Back then, LG phones for VZW were all mid to low end: slow processors, insufficient RAM and memory, inexpensive of course. This G3 will probably retail for $300 with a contract.
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: May 27, 2014 04:32PM
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silvarios
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rz
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silvarios
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Lew Zealand
So the new megahertz race is the megapixel display race in phones? That resolution is mega overkill, but it's more than anyone else's!!! Buy it!!!

Yet, when Apple keeps upping the res on their hardware…

Couldn't resist getting in a dig about Apple, could you?

Couldn't resist trolling people from thread to thread, could you? smiling smiley

Seriously, the headline seemed to be an intentional play on Apple release Tuesday. Isn't Apple rumored to be releasing a larger screen iPhone? Doesn't Apple strictly compete with these sorts of high end smart phones? Isn't Apple one of the biggest proponents of high res displays? Are any of these things inherently negative?

That prior speculation is fun but here is my point:

Apple has never had a 538dpi display because once you get to "Retina", which is apparently around 300dpi plus or minus a bit depending on how close you are to the display, the extra resolution is wasted. I am very much in the camp that ~300dpi is necessary as my primary use on my iPhone 4 (now 5) and iPad Mini Retina is to read text and they are fabulous for this use.

300DPI is overkill for movies and probably for images and in fact I rip movies for the iPad at 1/4 the res because there just ain't much more to see at 4x the resolution and file size (more or less).

538 is overkill and a waste of engineering. Unless it sells you more phones because the consumer is always right.
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: May 27, 2014 04:41PM
There are people who may point out that imagesetting starts at 1200ppi and can go up from there, so maybe this LG display is warranted. The flaw in that logic is that imagesetters are 1 color B&W (Ok, just B) or 4 color CMYK devices (we'll ignore 88-175ppi linescreens for images here) but they are just that: 1 color per pixel. They need the extra resolution to make those "all-on" and "all-off" pixels look like smooth lines at reading distances because our eye-brain system is very attuned to contrast boundaries. Computer & phone displays have 16M colors per point and can create smooth, sharp images at about 300ppi.
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: May 27, 2014 07:57PM
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Lew Zealand
So the new megahertz race is the megapixel display race in phones? That resolution is mega overkill, but it's more than anyone else's!!! Buy it!!!

Yet, when Apple keeps upping the res on their hardware…

Apple has had one bump in screen resolution. And the bump resulted in a visible improvement.
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: sekker
Date: May 27, 2014 08:11PM
The LG hardware looks really nice.

I hope Apple makes a comparable iPhone.
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: silvarios
Date: May 27, 2014 08:17PM
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Lux Interior
Apple has had one bump in screen resolution. And the bump resulted in a visible improvement.

480x320, 960x640, 1136 x 640 for the iPhone alone. 1024x768 and 2048x1536 for the iPad. Frankly, the reason Apple typically likes multiples of the original resolution is because iOS does not handle multiple resolutions very well. Remember black bars on apps when the iPhone 5 first launched? Or the inability for iPhone apps to display properly on iPads (unless the app is universal)?

Android's jump to 800x480 (or thereabout) was also a noticeable jump. Then to 720p and 1080p or similar resolutions. Perhaps the latest resolution leap might be a little excessive, but time will tell. I wouldn't be surprised if the new iPhone ends up with more pixels.
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: silvarios
Date: May 27, 2014 08:19PM
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sekker
The LG hardware looks really nice.

I hope Apple makes a comparable iPhone.

I wouldn't mind one flagship iPhone (basically the same internal specs), but three sizes small (4"), medium (4.7"), and large (5.5").
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: space-time
Date: May 27, 2014 08:32PM
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sekker
The LG hardware looks really nice.

I hope Apple makes a comparable iPhone.

I wouldn't mind one flagship iPhone (basically the same internal specs), but three sizes small (4"), medium (4.7"), and large (5.5").

you missed the recent thread about sizes in the US. There is no small.

it is Medium, Large and eXtra-Large.
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: sekker
Date: May 27, 2014 08:35PM
iOS7 handles differential resolutions MUCH better than earlier iOS versions.

I do not find the resolution on my iPhone 5S an issue, tho I DO wish my Kindle had a slightly higher pixel density. I can see the edges of pixels when I view the screen close-up (I'm very myopic).

Seems to me that a larger-screen, higher resolution iP6 with sapphire screen is what's in the cooker for 2014. That's a nice upgrade for iP4 and iP4S users, but not so compelling for iP5 and above.

We'll see whether Apple comes up with something practical. I think TouchID plus the anti-theft software implementation in iOS7 was pretty nice upgrade (tho I personally do not like the Windows-reminding flat look of iOS7). I can appreciate the under-the-hood without needing a facelift.
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: May 27, 2014 10:42PM
Apple likes product lineups in threes, but two sizes of phones with either 32 or 64 GB might fill that pretty well. The question is will they have an uber cheap 8 GB iPhone 6 for the masses in India and China. They have been losing market share in every segment but the top 10% of those markets.



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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: May 28, 2014 11:31AM
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480x320, 960x640, 1136 x 640 for the iPhone alone. 1024x768 and 2048x1536 for the iPad.

I don't follow these things that closely, but the second "bump" you list for the iPhone was just extending the pixels for the new screen size, right? It wouldn't make much sense to increase the width of the display and then just stretch the 960 to fit it. No increase in ppi.

So I say that they only had one bump, and that was from the original, to retina. iPad & iPhone are different devices.
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: silvarios
Date: May 28, 2014 12:14PM
iPad and iPhone are not different in my opinion because they run the same OS. Sure, some apps are tablet specific, but many that I use are the same on all iOS device. Again, simply a matter of opinion. As far as the iPhone 5/5c/5s not counting as a resolution bump when the resolution physically changes; well, I'm going to count it anyway. Precisely because the resolution physically changed.

While I do understand your point, the thread originally began with a discussion on the number of physical pixels and only later did you clarify that you were primarily interested in pixels per inch. I find it fair to include any change to PPI or actual number of pixels, but I concede this is once again a matter of opinion.
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: silvarios
Date: May 28, 2014 12:30PM
neophyte,
Thanks for the info. Lot of interesting tidbits to dissect. I do agree LG traditionally has played more in the entry and mid range level, although the last two years or so has seen some interesting flagships get released.

While traditionally not a big player on Verizon, any thoughts on recent Sony Xperia models? What's the "best" non S5 or Note 3 phone right now?
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: sekker
Date: May 28, 2014 09:54PM
Sony Xperia models have been getting great reviews.
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Re: It's Tuesday! New iron announced!
Posted by: silvarios
Date: May 29, 2014 07:25PM
Yeah, the biggest negative the past few years was lackluster viewing angles. Then again, I think my Xperia Ion from 2012 is pretty decent and I've owned some really nice mobile displays such as on the Nook and iPad 3. Some interesting phones on the market, that's for sure.
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