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MBP or MBA?
Posted by: iaJim
Date: May 28, 2014 07:57AM
My 2007 Macbook Pro has a bad logic board. I'm going to buy a replacement sometime soon, and I would like your opinion on which to buy: new Macbook Pro or new Macbook Air

I've retired from all heavy lifting needs, so I just need a casual use computer, but I want a good, fast one that is good for aging eyes.

What's your opinion? The $200 difference in price is no big deal, I just want to buy the right computer.
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Re: MBP or MBA?
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: May 28, 2014 08:07AM
Good for aging eyes means a 17" MBP but they don't make those any more. I think it depends on what you connect it to. If you use it stand alone most of the time with no peripherals, get the MBA.



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Re: MBP or MBA?
Posted by: DRR
Date: May 28, 2014 08:24AM
If most of its use is sitting on a desk or table, get the MBP. Also you can get a MBP with a retina display which may be better on your eyes.

The MBA is a better lap/couch/bed/surfing computer.

As you've said you're retired from heavy lifting duties, so ergonomics (weight, size, screen size, screen quality) should be the determining factor for you, not features. (IMO)
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Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: May 28, 2014 08:32AM
there are lots of MBAs around, I don't think that degree is worth as much these days.
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Posted by: testcase
Date: May 28, 2014 08:34AM
I've been very happy with my 17" MBP. I ordered it the day after Apple EOLed it and got hundreds of dollars off the original price because they were now "refurbs". You'll need a case of some sort so, a little bigger case will let you carry a 17" MBP (if there still available at the Apple Store).
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Posted by: Acer
Date: May 28, 2014 08:43AM
I recently went through this. I settled on a MBP retina, and I FRICKIN' LOVE THAT SCREEN.

It's a 15, and I couch serf with it on my lap comfortably. It runs much, much cooler on the bottom than the inverted hot plate that was the MBP 15" 2007.
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Re: MBP or MBA?
Posted by: clay
Date: May 28, 2014 09:27AM
If you can get to a store and try the options, that would probably be most helpful. Otherwise, you're just guessing.
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Re: MBP or MBA?
Posted by: anonymouse1
Date: May 28, 2014 10:04AM
You need to get to an Apple store and see if you're okay with the 13" MBA screen. I'm fine with it, but my wife needs a 15" MBP with the resolution set down a notch.
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Posted by: vicrock
Date: May 28, 2014 10:16AM
I'm struggling with this as well - I'm currently on a 13" MBA late 2010 - and would like to upgrade - was hoping the MBA would have retina. Now I'm debating.
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Re: MBP or MBA?
Posted by: iaJim
Date: May 28, 2014 10:40AM
The retina screen seems to be the big deal to me. The guy at the Apple store seemed to think it would never be offered with a retina screen. I don't see how that could be true.
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Posted by: DRR
Date: May 28, 2014 12:40PM
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iaJim
The retina screen seems to be the big deal to me. The guy at the Apple store seemed to think it would never be offered with a retina screen. I don't see how that could be true.

Guy at the Apple Store wants to eliminate the possibility of you walking out because you think something better is coming on the horizon. Once that possibility is eliminated you're left to choose between MBA or MBPR. Either way he wins.
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Re: MBP or MBA?
Posted by: August West
Date: May 28, 2014 01:06PM
I'm considering a loaded MBA with an added monitor at home to use with clamshell. I'm tired of hauling the MBP 15 and my iPad doesn't cut it for the work I do.



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Re: MBP or MBA?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: May 28, 2014 03:26PM
A MBA will be faster than your old MBP. I thought my 13" MBA display would be too small but i've found that its plenty for my needs.



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Posted by: silvarios
Date: May 28, 2014 04:43PM
Doesn't the Air have a fairly low quality display. MacBook Pro retina might be a better buy solely for the display.
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Posted by: Sam3
Date: May 28, 2014 06:31PM
The Air has a 1440x900 display, which is nicer than the pre-Retina 1280x800.
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Posted by: silvarios
Date: May 28, 2014 09:16PM
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The Air has a 1440x900 display, which is nicer than the pre-Retina 1280x800.

I thought Apple canned everything but the Retina MBP? I didn't see the old model when I went to the online store just now. Even so, the older non retina Macbook Pro model is an IPS display, and I believe the Air is only TN.

The displays on the Air are pretty average at best unfortunately. For $599, like the recent refurb deal, I might bite, for $1000+, no so much.
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Re: MBP or MBA?
Posted by: sekker
Date: May 28, 2014 09:52PM
Get to a Best Buy or Apple Store, and see the screens for yourself.

I personally think you will come away planning to get a MBPR.
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Re: MBP or MBA?
Posted by: iaJim
Date: May 28, 2014 10:35PM
Sekker, I did just that, and I think you are right.
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Re: MBP or MBA?
Posted by: silvarios
Date: May 28, 2014 10:48PM
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iaJim
Sekker, I did just that, and I think you are right.

It isn't just the retina, the viewing angles are better, than color should be better as well. I somehow managed to miss the fact the Air never got an upgraded display. I thought for sure they were IPS by now, but during research for a client, I noticed the same old average display.
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Posted by: sekker
Date: May 28, 2014 11:27PM
Plus, 13 MBA stuffs all of the same text that came with an original 17" PB into that tiny screen. Hard to read unless you change the defaults.

13" MBP screen is ultra glossy and looks a little dated.

MBPR screen is the same text found on the 13 MBA but in 15 form factor.

13" MBPR is similarly ok for older eyes.
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Re: MBP or MBA?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: May 29, 2014 09:04AM
The guy at the Apple store seemed to think it would never be offered with a retina screen. I don't see how that could be true.

The "Never say 'Never' " thing aside, you'd probably be waiting for an MBAr like rg was waiting for Gadot the next Mac mini.

The Retina screen needs a lot of juice compared to the same sized standard screen.

To put one in the air without sacrificing battery life (possibly the biggest plus of the Air) Apple would have to:

•Make a thicker, heavier Air (not frikken likely)
•Make an Air with shorter battery life (a marketing quandary for Apple given they tout extended run time)
•Develop new battery tech that allows for the same size and weight Air while giving the same battery life.

The first two mean some considerable back-pedaling, and the third means R&D which doesn't appear to be on the horizon.

So "never" may be as little as two, three, or more years unless Apple relents and opts for one of the first two (or a compromise of them).

The MBPr seems to be ok to you, great! I was going to suggest an MBA with an external 1920x1280 display, for natively larger text. But it looks like you want a portable solution.

I looked at the new MBAs and though their resolution is improved, I'll probably pass on another one until if and when it goes Retina. I love the Retina screens.




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Posted by: deckeda
Date: May 29, 2014 10:23AM
They still sell a non-Retina MBP 13". I saw them last night in an Apple store. They are $200 less (I think?)

Also, despite the Retina screen, the placard advertised something like 9 vs only 7 hours of battery life for the non-Retina.
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Posted by: silvarios
Date: May 29, 2014 12:12PM
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deckeda
They still sell a non-Retina MBP 13". I saw them last night in an Apple store. They are $200 less (I think?)

Also, despite the Retina screen, the placard advertised something like 9 vs only 7 hours of battery life for the non-Retina.

Can't find it on the regular online store. Anyone have a link?
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Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: May 29, 2014 02:23PM
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Re: MBP or MBA?
Posted by: silvarios
Date: May 29, 2014 03:37PM
Ah, when I searched for MacBook Pro, I kept getting links for 13" and 15" retina.
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Re: MBP or MBA?
Posted by: mrlynn
Date: May 30, 2014 07:35AM
If you click on the Compare Mac notebooks (bottom left) on the MBP page, you get this:

[www.apple.com]

with all the specs, including the non-Retina 13" MBP. It's the only Mac left with an optical drive ('Superdrive').

laJim did not specify if he needed portability. If not, a Mini plus monitor or an iMac might be better for "aging eyes."

I'm toying with replacing my 2010 13" MBP (pre-retina) with an Air for less weight when traveling; the only thing that's stopping me (besides $$) is the CD/DVD drive, which I like to use on the train.

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