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Canon EOS M Compact Digital Camera w/ 22mm f/2 STM Lens $250 + Free Shipping
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 31, 2014 11:31AM
Deal Editor's Note: This camera may be an imported model. It is completely identical to the USA model and is produced by the same factories. This product comes set in English as a standard, with USA connections. Imported models do not carry a USA manufacturer warranty card. Your purchase is covered by a BigValueInc store warranty which covers you for 1 Year.

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Re: Canon EOS M Compact Digital Camera w/ 22mm f/2 STM Lens $250 + Free Shipping
Posted by: freeradical
Date: August 31, 2014 11:47AM
Gray Market?

It's probably not worth the risk.
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Re: Canon EOS M Compact Digital Camera w/ 22mm f/2 STM Lens $250 + Free Shipping
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: August 31, 2014 11:53AM
Gray market just means warranty is through someone beside Canon. Unlike Nikon, Canon will fix gray market, not under warranty, but they will fix it. Nikon won't fix gray even if you are willing to pay.

I am tempted to roll the dice on this. With the EOS adapter, one can hook up any EOS lens.



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Re: Canon EOS M Compact Digital Camera w/ 22mm f/2 STM Lens $250 + Free Shipping
Posted by: freeradical
Date: August 31, 2014 11:59AM
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pRICE cUBE
Gray market just means warranty is through someone beside Canon. Unlike Nikon, Canon will fix gray market, not under warranty, but they will fix it. Nikon won't fix gray even if you are willing to pay.


Yeah, if it were being sold by Adorama or B&H, it might be worth it, but BigValueInc?
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Re: Canon EOS M Compact Digital Camera w/ 22mm f/2 STM Lens $250 + Free Shipping
Posted by: DRR
Date: August 31, 2014 04:55PM
I have one. I'd be happy to share my opinions if anyone wants them (that's a rare occurrence). big grin smiley
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Re: Canon EOS M Compact Digital Camera w/ 22mm f/2 STM Lens $250 + Free Shipping
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: August 31, 2014 07:52PM
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DRR
I have one. I'd be happy to share my opinions if anyone wants them (that's a rare occurrence). big grin smiley

I am thinking this would be less bulk than the nikon d7000 I haul around for general shooting.

The M is awesome as it is the only mirror less that allows you to use the eos line lenses with an adapter. With ef-s 1.6x lenses , there is no conversion. The Nikon 1 in contrast is a2.5 or 3x multiplier with Nikon f lenses.

Looks like this big value inc has some mixed results but paypal/eBay usually sides with the buyer these days so the price might be worth a roll. Of the dice.

DRR, how do you like it? I am thinking this camera with a tame on 18-270 via the eos adapter.



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Re: Canon EOS M Compact Digital Camera w/ 22mm f/2 STM Lens $250 + Free Shipping
Posted by: eustacetilley
Date: August 31, 2014 08:11PM
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pRICE cUBE
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DRR
I have one. I'd be happy to share my opinions if anyone wants them (that's a rare occurrence). big grin smiley

......
The M is awesome as it is the only mirror less that allows you to use the eos line lenses with an adapter. With ef-s 1.6x lenses , there is no conversion. The Nikon 1 in contrast is a2.5 or 3x multiplier with Nikon f lenses.
......

Not quite true, you can use the Canon EOS lenses on a Pentax Q with one of these:
[www.bhphotovideo.com]


Wide angle will still be a bit of a problem, given the crop factor. (~5:1; 35mm FF)

Eustace
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Re: Canon EOS M Compact Digital Camera w/ 22mm f/2 STM Lens $250 + Free Shipping
Posted by: Gareth
Date: August 31, 2014 08:19PM
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eustacetilley
Not quite true, you can use the Canon EOS lenses on a Pentax Q with one of these:
[www.bhphotovideo.com]

"however it does not transfer all the functions from the camera to the lens, such as auto focus"

pRICE cUBE probably should have been more specific in saying that the M is the only mirror-less that FULLY SUPPORTS the EOS line of lenses with an adapter. You can also adapt EF lenses to Sony, with some adapters even supporting (slow) auto-focus on some lenses.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/31/2014 08:20PM by Gareth.
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Re: Canon EOS M Compact Digital Camera w/ 22mm f/2 STM Lens $250 + Free Shipping
Posted by: eustacetilley
Date: August 31, 2014 09:06PM
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Gareth
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eustacetilley
Not quite true, you can use the Canon EOS lenses on a Pentax Q with one of these:
[www.bhphotovideo.com]

"however it does not transfer all the functions from the camera to the lens, such as auto focus"

pRICE cUBE probably should have been more specific in saying that the M is the only mirror-less that FULLY SUPPORTS the EOS line of lenses with an adapter. You can also adapt EF lenses to Sony, with some adapters even supporting (slow) auto-focus on some lenses.

You are right, of course.
I was being a little tongue in cheek, but only a little- I'm a match-needle, manual focus, zoom-with-my-feet kind of guy. I find that I can take equally poor pictures either that way, or with totally automatic operation.
There are also 4/3 adapters of various levels of quality and functionality, for various mounts.

Eustace



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/31/2014 09:06PM by eustacetilley.
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Re: Canon EOS M Compact Digital Camera w/ 22mm f/2 STM Lens $250 + Free Shipping
Posted by: DRR
Date: September 01, 2014 02:20AM
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pRICE cUBE
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DRR
I have one. I'd be happy to share my opinions if anyone wants them (that's a rare occurrence). big grin smiley

I am thinking this would be less bulk than the nikon d7000 I haul around for general shooting.

The M is awesome as it is the only mirror less that allows you to use the eos line lenses with an adapter. With ef-s 1.6x lenses , there is no conversion. The Nikon 1 in contrast is a2.5 or 3x multiplier with Nikon f lenses.

Looks like this big value inc has some mixed results but paypal/eBay usually sides with the buyer these days so the price might be worth a roll. Of the dice.

DRR, how do you like it? I am thinking this camera with a tame on 18-270 via the eos adapter.

I like it a lot, but I don't love it. If you're coming from an SLR (obviously you are) then you'll find many things lacking.

The good:

Image quality is excellent, especially with the kit prime (22mm). I've heard nothing but good things about the other native lenses also. It's basically a T4i without the mirror box. Similarly, other lenses perform as well as they normally would on SLR also.

APS-C sensor, which is on the large side for this class, which includes most mirrorless ILCs. Sensor size may or may not matter to other people, but it definitely matters to me. I went from m4/3 to EOS-M in large part because of this fact alone.

It's small and light, which makes it very easy to pack and carry. Batteries are cheap and work well (which is good because battery life isn't great). It's light but it's built very solidly. Does not feel cheap at all.

Fully compatible with Canon accessories and protocols, if you're bought in to the system. I do have the EF adapter and it works great with all my lenses. Also Eye-fi compatible at the firmware level so it can be controlled from the menu system.

I use it with the 22mm, 99% of the time. It's small, light, somewhat pocketable, excellent image quality.

Short flange distance means you can adapt hundreds of different manual focus lenses to it, if you're into that kind of thing.

The bad:

Ergonomics. This is my main gripe. It's borderline too small to operate efficiently as anything but a point and shoot. A point and shoot has a limited number of buttons so a smaller size works. The EOS M tries to maintain its SLR roots but crams (too) many functions into a small space. That makes for a camera that's too small to operate. The more you want to be able to control the camera and settings, the more awkward it will be. The touchscreen can also be problematic. Maybe I'm still not used to it, but using a touchscreen to change settings is awkward at best. I've even upgraded the grip to a beefier aftermarket grip just for a little more "purchase" for my fingers. It's better but still not great.

Grip

EF Adapter - the practicality of the adapter is great because it allows you to add all sorts of different non-native focal lengths to the EOS-M, but it increase the size of a full size lens even more. So it's a fun to have, but if you can afford to take an SLR you'll be better off. Further, it throws the balance off even further, to the point where you're basically holding the lens and only touching the screen or the shutter release on the camera - you're not holding it by the camera.

Camera has lugs that are apparently shared only by certain Hasselblad models. In other words, good luck finding/using a different strap or wrist strap.

As I'm sure you've read from reviews, AF is slow. There was a firmware update last year which helped significantly. But that just means it's average at best now. Not a good camera for action unless you're used to prefocusing or zone focusing techniques. EF lenses will also focus a bit slower with the adapter, than they normally would on an SLR.

Short flange distance means you can adapt hundreds of different manual focus lenses to it, if that's your thing.

No viewfinder, optical or EVF. LCD screen only. Which doesn't tilt.

Conclusion:

Great camera if you want to take pictures, can't compare to an SLR when you want to make pictures.

EOS-M + EF adapter + Tamron 18-270 will give you a packable, lightweight, general purpose walk-around kit. But it won't be as small as you think it will be. My normal kit, which I have with me whenever I have my messenger bag, is EOS-M +22mm + adapter +EF 40mm f/2.8. I do like having a "real" camera with me all the time.
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Re: Canon EOS M Compact Digital Camera w/ 22mm f/2 STM Lens $250 + Free Shipping
Posted by: DRR
Date: September 01, 2014 10:15AM
An addendum - I also use my M around the house for quick and easy kid videos. Much better quality than phone video, but is still easy enough to just more or less just turn on and start shooting. The combination of face tracking, servo AF and the quiet STM motor on the lens, make it a very good option for casual family videos. It has very good video capabilities if you're into that.

The M for me fills a niche - small portable travel camera, a powerful nice-to-have-with-me camera, and casual video camera. 9 times out of 10 if one of my goals is to take pictures, I don't reach for the M I reach for the SLR. One exception is when I travel for work, I generally take the M - it's good to have around but I'm traveling to do a job, not to take pictures. So it's not worth it to take my SLR kit. On family vacations I always take the SLR.

Overall at $250 it's an unbeatable deal in its class. You won't find anything comparable at that price point.
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