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Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: September 18, 2014 05:04PM
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Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: space-time
Date: September 18, 2014 05:10PM
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Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: space-time
Date: September 18, 2014 05:19PM
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Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: freeradical
Date: September 18, 2014 05:37PM
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Didn't they show a prototype in early 2000s? they could have been one of the leaders in full frame now instead of playing catch-up.
Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: lost in space
Date: September 18, 2014 05:56PM
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Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: Racer X
Date: September 18, 2014 05:59PM
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Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: September 18, 2014 06:20PM
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Didn't they show a prototype in early 2000s? they could have been one of the leaders in full frame now instead of playing catch-up.
Yep. It's going to be a tough sell to try and get Canon and Nikon users who've invested lots of bucks in full frame lenses to switch.
Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: September 18, 2014 06:38PM
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Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: September 18, 2014 06:39PM
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space-time
Didn't they show a prototype in early 2000s? they could have been one of the leaders in full frame now instead of playing catch-up.
Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: September 18, 2014 06:49PM
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Didn't they show a prototype in early 2000s? they could have been one of the leaders in full frame now instead of playing catch-up.
Yes, they did:
[en.wikipedia.org]
[www.bdimitrov.de]
I've heard a couple reasons why it was never offered for sale. One is that it would be too costly for Pentax's target market (see the quote in the Wikipedia page) which makes sense, as Pentax's market did (does) not include professional photographers who would shell out the $$ for a full-frame SLR. At that time, it would have been about $10,000. The other story is that the maker of the sensor, Phillips, bowed out so they couldn't have put it in production anyway. Canon of course was first in FF since they make their own sensors. (When did Nikon introduce their first?)
Now: enthusiasts are obviously clamoring for FF bodies. They'll happily spend in the $2k neighborhood to get one, and there are many existing Pentax users who are very eager for this. I read often enough posts by Canon or Nikon users who say they'd consider Pentax "if," because they like what they see in cameras such as the K-5 and K-3, but want FF. We'll see.
I think it was probably not a bad business decision for Pentax to stay out of the FF game until they could do it in a way that avoids being just a "me-to" maker and come up with something substantially different.
Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: September 18, 2014 07:37PM
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Sony makes the aps-c sensors for Pentax. Nikon needs help from Sony fabrication for their FF chips. Not sure why Pentax could not strike up a joint agreement also.
I really like the layout of Pentax camera. Something more Mac-like about them than the Nikons I currently use.
Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: September 18, 2014 07:59PM
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Sony makes the aps-c sensors for Pentax. Nikon needs help from Sony fabrication for their FF chips. Not sure why Pentax could not strike up a joint agreement also.
I really like the layout of Pentax camera. Something more Mac-like about them than the Nikons I currently use.
My guess is it'll be a body something like the K-3 in terms of design. Maybe a little bigger. It'll have to have a processor upgrade to give it a decent frame rate, and probably an improved autofocus system. (Pentax autofocus has gotten steadily better but the reputation remains.)
Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: September 18, 2014 08:29PM
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Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: davester
Date: September 18, 2014 09:23PM
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I honestly think that most people who are clamoring for an FF camera really have no idea WHY they feel they need one; they just DO. .
Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: freeradical
Date: September 18, 2014 09:33PM
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I honestly think that most people who are clamoring for an FF camera really have no idea WHY they feel they need one; they just DO. .
Exactly. I think part of the reason is that "full frame" makes it sound as though any smaller sensor is "part frame" and therefore inadequate by comparison. The fact is, the size of an FF sensor is arbitrary, and based on the size of film, which makes little sense in today's day and age. There are severe penalties (weight, bulk, cost of lenses) to full frame equipment. Only pros shooting particular types of subjects really need FF sensors IMHO. For the rest of us, APS-C or even micro 4/3 are more than we need.
Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: September 18, 2014 09:37PM
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Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: lost in space
Date: September 19, 2014 12:03AM
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Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: (vikm)
Date: September 19, 2014 12:22AM
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Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: September 19, 2014 01:09AM
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I'm of the opposite opinion. I'd suggest the people that want FF actually do know why they want it and those that don't actively seek it out don't generally know what it is or what the difference is compared to the cameras that don't offer it. Just my opinion, though.
Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: freeradical
Date: September 19, 2014 01:11AM
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Seems to me there's a different quality to the color in FF, like the transitions from one color or value to the next are smoother. I used to notice something similar when I did B&W hobby darkroom work. The larger formats had that same quality, smoother and more articulate, especially in shadow and highlight detail. The larger formats gave sharper images too, but even crude old uncoated lenses on a 4 x 5 were better tonally, IMO.
Someone said the tones and color in smaller formats were more "jumpy."
I love my K20D for the same reason price mentioned. Everything seems to be right where I need it. Like Macs USED to be.
Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: Racer X
Date: September 19, 2014 01:23AM
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Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: September 19, 2014 06:26AM
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Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: September 19, 2014 08:24AM
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Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: lost in space
Date: September 19, 2014 11:09AM
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Yeah, not all FF are equal. While the Nikon chips are very detailed and very sharp, they have a cold feel to them. The Canon's have a warmer feel and I spend less time fixing the brutally honest Nikon skin tones. Something about that A900 tonality was really nice for portraits. I was hoping to pick one up by now but they haven't dropped as much as I had hoped. I think a lot of A900 admirers must feel the same way. The A900 was in actuality Minolta's before it was sold to Sony. Their subsequent cameras have had a lot of flashy features but lack the oomph the A900 had for tonality. The downside of the A900, the vertical grip was the size of a whale's behind.
Re: Confirmed: Pentax developing a full-frame camera
Posted by: Racer X
Date: September 19, 2014 11:46AM
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