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Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: goosegunner
Date: April 10, 2015 03:19PM
Moving forward with extending my network to my extra garage that is less than 200' from my cat6 patch panel in my house.

I have 1-1/2" electrical conduit buried connecting the buildings.

What cat6 cable do I need underground? outdoor, regular?


Do I need lightning suppression with cable in conduit? Both ends? Gigabit available?

gg
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Re: Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: April 10, 2015 03:32PM
Direct burial Cat6 exists.... if you pull it in EMT with power cables, you'll need the shielded stuff and a punchdown block on your patch panel on both sides. I'd definitely think about putting in lightning suppression at both ends... I lost a bunch of network gear a decade ago to a lightning strike on a buried cable TV line.

I ran direct burial Cat5 in a 1 foot deep slit between my neighbor and I about 9 years ago. Still works fine.
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Re: Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: April 10, 2015 05:10PM
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cbelt3
Direct burial Cat6 exists.... if you pull it in EMT with power cables, you'll need the shielded stuff and a punchdown block on your patch panel on both sides. I'd definitely think about putting in lightning suppression at both ends... I lost a bunch of network gear a decade ago to a lightning strike on a buried cable TV line.

I ran direct burial Cat5 in a 1 foot deep slit between my neighbor and I about 9 years ago. Still works fine.
  • NEVER run data cables in the same pathway as electrical cables. Install parallel conduits and run data in one and electrical in the other.
  • UL-listed indoor/outdoor Cat 6 is available:
    [www.mohawk-cable.com]
    [www.mohawk-cable.com]
    The UL listing means you are permitted to run the cable inside the building more than 50 feet past the building entrance, which in turn means you wouldn't necessarily need to terminate the Cat 6 on a punchdown block at each building entrance.
  • However, if you live in an area susceptible to lightning, you will need to install lightning suppressors at the building entrance at each end of the cable and terminate the cable to the suppressors.
  • Direct-burial Cat 6 will not be UL listed.



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Re: Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: April 11, 2015 09:33AM
If you are willing to spend the money, run fiber optic and you won't have the problems with grounding and lightning.



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Re: Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: goosegunner
Date: April 11, 2015 11:38AM
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If you are willing to spend the money, run fiber optic and you won't have the problems with grounding and lightning.

How much are we talking here to pull a fiber run of 125' through installed conduit and terminated on both ends for cat6 connection?

gg
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Re: Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: April 11, 2015 02:00PM
You can't terminate a fiber for "a Cat 6 connection" - Cat 6 is copper cable, not fiber.



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Re: Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: April 11, 2015 03:18PM
Fiber would work great, but is probably more costly than it's worth...
A 50 meter INDOOR rated fiber patch cable (with SC type ends already on it) is about $50.
However, you need a fiber to cat5/6 media converter on each end, or a switch with a GBIC module that does the same thing on each end (different ends than the SC, but those cables are available too).
That's going to up your costs to more than running outdoor direct bury Cat6 line would cost, since you can put ends on that yourself, and plug directly into a switch/router at each end.

If it was me doing it, I'd buy "direct bury" cat6, and just bury it.
Is it completely "industry standard" to do it that way? No...
But it will work, and probably work a lot longer than you think.
Do NOT run it in the same conduit with power lines. Phone lines, sure.. but not power lines.

EDIT: ALmost forgot... if you're going to trench, or pull through conduit, etc... if you need ONE line, pull TWO lines. The line is the cheap part, the pain in the butt to one day have to run ANOTHER one is worth avoiding by just laying a second cable for whatever you might want to use it for later NOW.

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If you are willing to spend the money, run fiber optic and you won't have the problems with grounding and lightning.

How much are we talking here to pull a fiber run of 125' through installed conduit and terminated on both ends for cat6 connection?

gg



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Re: Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: April 11, 2015 04:26PM
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If you are willing to spend the money, run fiber optic and you won't have the problems with grounding and lightning.

How much are we talking here to pull a fiber run of 125' through installed conduit and terminated on both ends for cat6 connection?

It all depends on how much you can do yourself. It's been a little too long since I installed any but I think you just need a pair of converters ($60 ea) and a 110ft cable (about $60) with the matching ends. I didn't see any patch cable over 60ft at Newegg, so you might need to pay a little more for a custom length.

If you like DIY, another other option is to get a pair of WiFi routers with external antennas, make a set of parabolic dishes, and set up in bridge mode.



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Re: Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: goosegunner
Date: April 11, 2015 04:48PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
You can't terminate a fiber for "a Cat 6 connection" - Cat 6 is copper cable, not fiber.

I realize that but there must me some box to terminate the fiber in and then change to cat 6?

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Re: Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: April 11, 2015 05:32PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
You can't terminate a fiber for "a Cat 6 connection" - Cat 6 is copper cable, not fiber.

I realize that but there must me some box to terminate the fiber in and then change to cat 6?

gg

That was the converter I linked to, one for each end of the fiber. TRENDnet SC fiber to ethernet converter There are different types of fiber connectors that generally go on specific types of cable.



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Re: Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: space-time
Date: April 11, 2015 05:45PM
Folks, if he has power lines going from the main building to his shed, the simplest solution is power line adapter, you can buy a 500 Mbps rated pair and should achieve 100 or more Mbps. There is no need to run additional cables.
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Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: April 11, 2015 06:03PM
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Folks, if he has power lines going from the main building to his shed, the simplest solution is power line adapter, you can buy a 500 Mbps rated pair and should achieve 100 or more Mbps. There is no need to run additional cables.

I don't have any experience with power line, don't both adapters need to be fed from the same breaker to get 100 Mbps?



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Re: Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: goosegunner
Date: April 11, 2015 07:32PM
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Folks, if he has power lines going from the main building to his shed, the simplest solution is power line adapter, you can buy a 500 Mbps rated pair and should achieve 100 or more Mbps. There is no need to run additional cables.

I have power gong to shed but it is a large service feed that feeds a 100 amp panel in the shed.

When I built the building I buried 2 empty 1-1/2" PVC electrical conduits in case I ever wanted to pull wires. The power line is in a 2" PVC conduit by itself.

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Re: Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: onthedownlow
Date: April 11, 2015 11:50PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
You can't terminate a fiber for "a Cat 6 connection" - Cat 6 is copper cable, not fiber.

Sure you can. I have a couple in my house. Fiber converter boxes. It is directly terminating it? I suppose not technically, but that's how it's done.



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Re: Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: April 12, 2015 12:34AM
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You can't terminate a fiber for "a Cat 6 connection" - Cat 6 is copper cable, not fiber.

Sure you can. I have a couple in my house. Fiber converter boxes. It is directly terminating it? I suppose not technically, but that's how it's done.

I know how it's done - I do this for a living.

Using a media converter is NOT the same thing as terminating a fiber with a Cat 6 connector.



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Re: Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: Onamuji
Date: April 12, 2015 12:36AM
I'd go with fiber, as others have suggested. No worries about running along power lines or surges from lightning strikes.

Haven't looked at stand-alone bridges, but GigE switches with fiber uplinks aren't too expensive. Could probably do it for well under $1k if you shop around.



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Re: Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: April 12, 2015 01:27AM
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Could probably do it for well under $1k if you shop around.

That sounds about right.



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Re: Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: space-time
Date: April 12, 2015 08:45AM
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Folks, if he has power lines going from the main building to his shed, the simplest solution is power line adapter, you can buy a 500 Mbps rated pair and should achieve 100 or more Mbps. There is no need to run additional cables.

I don't have any experience with power line, don't both adapters need to be fed from the same breaker to get 100 Mbps?

He could put one at the house and one at the shed, both on the same line, so both fed from the same breaker, it should work great. Probably cheaper than cat cable and the trouble to get the cable pulle through the conduit.
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Re: Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: goosegunner
Date: April 12, 2015 09:53AM
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Folks, if he has power lines going from the main building to his shed, the simplest solution is power line adapter, you can buy a 500 Mbps rated pair and should achieve 100 or more Mbps. There is no need to run additional cables.

I don't have any experience with power line, don't both adapters need to be fed from the same breaker to get 100 Mbps?

He could put one at the house and one at the shed, both on the same line, so both fed from the same breaker, it should work great. Probably cheaper than cat cable and the trouble to get the cable pulle through the conduit.

No where to plug in the house. I have large feed from breaker to panel in shed. I think its 2-2-2 but I can't remember for sure.

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Re: Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: goosegunner
Date: April 12, 2015 09:58AM
For what I am using it for it sounds like I should either Try wifi or figure out the cat6 with lightning protection.

1. I want to have internet access in shed.

2. Want to have a camera or 2 in or on shed.

3. Might want music out there from storage in house.

4. Remote temperature monitoring of my wood boiler via X300

Pretty basic stuff.

gg
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Posted by: Paul F.
Date: April 12, 2015 12:39PM
Sounds like fiber is definitely overkill. Nice, but overkill.
Pull a couple pieces of cat6 through the empty conduit, and don't overthink it.



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Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: April 12, 2015 01:29PM
You could attach an access point to one of the Cat 6 cables and service all your clients via local WLAN, too.



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Re: The science of why stepping on Legos makes you want to die
Posted by: goosegunner
Date: April 12, 2015 02:59PM
I have an extra airport extreme that I was going to put in the shed to extend the wifi network.

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Re: Cat6 building to building?
Posted by: onthedownlow
Date: May 10, 2015 11:05PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
You can't terminate a fiber for "a Cat 6 connection" - Cat 6 is copper cable, not fiber.

Sure you can. I have a couple in my house. Fiber converter boxes. It is directly terminating it? I suppose not technically, but that's how it's done.

I know how it's done - I do this for a living.

Using a media converter is NOT the same thing as terminating a fiber with a Cat 6 connector.

Awesome! Me too, and then a whole lot more! ; )

Happy days.



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