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Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: Harbourmaster
Date: October 19, 2006 10:47PM
All you vintage Audio geeks get a load of these beauties!!

[cgi.ebay.com]





Aloha, Ken


“I have developed significant attachments to several members even though I wouldn't recognize them if I sat next to one on a park bench. I'm often tempted when in an airport to walk around, hollering "The Løpe", to see if anyone other than the Homeland Security people will acknowledge me. ” - The Løpe

"If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion, or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us." Justice Robert Jackson
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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: ArtP
Date: October 19, 2006 10:52PM
Wow, I sold a old Dynaco Tube Amp for a friend on ebay several years ago and I was VERY surprised at how much it went for, I had no clue of the value of those things today.

Those are VERY clean, and look almost new. They should do VERY well if the right person sees them.
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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: ArtP
Date: October 19, 2006 10:55PM
Wow, check out his other auctions:

This tube amp start at a penny and is up to $2800 now:

[cgi.ebay.com]

AMAZING....
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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: Ken Sp.
Date: October 19, 2006 11:06PM
Local Tube receiver on Craigslist
[sacramento.craigslist.org]
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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: October 19, 2006 11:14PM
Tuuubes ! Tuuuubes ! Oh how I miss them. The smell of ozone in the morning. The desperate wait for the heaters to warm them up.

Naah, I don't miss 'em at all.
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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: maco
Date: October 19, 2006 11:16PM
A blast from the past. I used to have a Dynaco amp.

I have an old stereo receiver where one channel is on AM and one channel is on FM.
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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: davester
Date: October 19, 2006 11:30PM
So sad. In the 60s and 70s we thought we were headed for high fidelity heaven. In the 90s and 00s everything went to rap and MP3/4. The hi fi stores all moved into selling snake oil instead of quality ($500 interconnects anyone?). All the music has been degraded to lo fi. Nobody seems to give a rat's ass about fidelity anymore.



"In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." (1987) -- Carl Sagan
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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: lafinfil
Date: October 19, 2006 11:48PM
Those are sweet ( I wonder how many hrs the tubes have on them)
Somewhere a pair of vintage Vandy's cry out to be driven by them.

Don't despair davester - still lots of good high quality tube stuff out there.
When My friend still had the retail portion of his stereo/theater store there were always
at least a couple of tube set ups on the floor - from Cary's to Conrad-Johnson's
and many others. Spent many an evening being warmed by their sound.

I passed on a few he had taken in trade - now much regretted.
The biggest costumers for them were the middle aged executive here from Japan
working at the Subaru plant. They would shop for them for months before they returned
to Japan from their assignments here. Lot's of nice vintage tubes went back home with them.



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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: October 20, 2006 12:23AM




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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: Donkey Hotay
Date: October 20, 2006 07:48AM
Tubes Rock! Here's a nice set of Mark III's for ya:




=DH
Donkey (Ye Olde Farte of ye Internette) Hotay is a Tilted Windmill® enterprise.
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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: Donkey Hotay
Date: October 20, 2006 07:51AM
...and of course the schematic:



courtesy of [www.one-electron.com]

You need two of these for stereo!



=DH
Donkey (Ye Olde Farte of ye Internette) Hotay is a Tilted Windmill® enterprise.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/20/2006 07:56AM by Donkey Hotay.
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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: JoeM
Date: October 20, 2006 08:55AM
The good old days...(sigh)...



JoeM
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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: -jeffB
Date: October 20, 2006 10:11AM
I want a nice, inefficient, heat-radiating, power-wasting tube amp that I can install into my energy-conserving hybrid car.
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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: Baby Tats
Date: October 20, 2006 10:24AM
Yeah, yeah, yeah- if tube amps are so great, why did they go the way of the dinosaur.

If given tubes, I am sure that a reproduction could be assembled by a senior EECE student without much problem as the circuitry is quite simple. Are there no tubes available now- even reproduction tubes? There must be comparable (or better) electronics available. It seems to me that the high cost is mostly sentimental, speculative, or based on the desire of people with lots of disposable income to show off. I can't understand why people would choose to listen to distorted sound unless it was for effect- like in a guitar amp. I bet that there are few ears in the world that could tell the difference between the Dynaco's and a faithful reproduction in a double blind.

But I am probably way off as I know nothing about this topic.



BT


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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: JoeM
Date: October 20, 2006 11:14AM
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Baby Tats
I can't understand why people would choose to listen to distorted sound unless it was for effect- like in a guitar amp.

To put it simply, the coloration and distortion is just pleasing to ears of most people. Its not harsh like guitar distortion.

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Baby Tats
I bet that there are few ears in the world that could tell the difference between the Dynaco's and a faithful reproduction in a double blind

There are plenty of people that can tell. Just depends if you want to spend your time listening to what the music sounds like rather than just listening to the music, itself.



JoeM
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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: Baby Tats
Date: October 20, 2006 11:36AM
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JoeM
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Baby Tats
I bet that there are few ears in the world that could tell the difference between the Dynaco's and a faithful reproduction in a double blind

There are plenty of people that can tell. Just depends if you want to spend your time listening to what the music sounds like rather than just listening to the music, itself.

I should clarify. I am quite sure that many people could tell the difference between a tube amp and current solid state technology, probably even me. I was thinking of a modern reproduction of an old tube amp compared to an original.


BT
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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: outcast
Date: October 20, 2006 11:37AM
You could always build your own if you want the entire experience:

[www.s5electronics.com]

or make a reproduction of a tube amp that was created for Einstein in 1949:

[www.makezine.com]


outcast
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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: deckeda
Date: October 20, 2006 12:52PM
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Baby Tats
... I bet that there are few ears in the world that could tell the difference between the Dynaco's and a faithful reproduction in a double blind.

You're right, but then again double-blind testing wouldn't reveal it.
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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: Harbourmaster
Date: October 20, 2006 01:45PM
If I was going to buy something modern I would probably go with a pair of these:



[www.belcantodesign.com]#

Power Output: >1000W into 4 ohms, >500W into 8 ohms
Minimum Load: 2 ohms
Frequency Response: +/-0.5dB 20Hz-20KHz, all loads
THD+N: 0.007% 1W, 1KHz, 4 ohms
IMD (CCIF): 0.0007%, 1W, 14:15KHz, 4 ohms
Output noise: 90uVRMS A-weighted 10Hz-20KHz
Voltage gain: 27dB (single ended or balanced input)
Damping factor: >1000
Output Impedance at 100Hz <8 milliohms
Dynamic Range: 120dB
Input Voltage for Max Output 3Vrms
Input connections: Single-ended RCA or balanced XLR
RCA input impedance: 10Kohms
Balanced input impedance: 20Kohms
Output connections: 1-set WBT 5-way safety binding posts
Standby Power: 15W
Size: 8.5x3x12[inches], 216x76x305[mm] (WxHxD)
Weight: 13lbs, 6Kg

Features and specifications are subject to improvements and changes without prior notice.



Aloha, Ken


“I have developed significant attachments to several members even though I wouldn't recognize them if I sat next to one on a park bench. I'm often tempted when in an airport to walk around, hollering "The Løpe", to see if anyone other than the Homeland Security people will acknowledge me. ” - The Løpe

"If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion, or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us." Justice Robert Jackson
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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: lafinfil
Date: October 20, 2006 03:31PM
How about a set of these Ken [www.stereophile.com]





Actually I really liked the Carys - nice engineering and oh so warm sounding
Friend had a set of these monos traded in/up - could have ... should have

[www.caryaudio.com]



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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: Joey Cupcakes
Date: October 20, 2006 03:33PM
Very nice audio pron!
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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: October 20, 2006 03:55PM
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Baby Tats
If given tubes, I am sure that a reproduction could be assembled by a senior EECE student without much problem as the circuitry is quite simple.

IMNSHO, I was looking at the pics of the circuit board pictures of the auction and thought that a high school student could make a better looking circuit board, and then grinned inwardly. There is usually an incredible amount of experience and design that goes into assembling a circuit like this. You don't just solder together a bunch of "equivalent" capacitors, transformers, and tubes and expect it to sound anything close to the Dynaco. Even with several years of experience designing and assembling tube amps (like understanding the affects of a poly cap versus an electrolytic cap in different places in an audio circuit), even with exact replacement tubes a reproduction amp would also need nearly identical transformers.

Sometimes a legendary product is just the serendipity of all the right components coming together, and other times it is the genius of someone that has the right experience and can balance a couple of hundred design parameters* in their head.

*- Enough that it would take dozens of hours to enter into an analog circuit simulator like PSpice.



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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: Harry in MI
Date: October 20, 2006 04:14PM
If you're looking for audio pron don't forget these guys:

[www.nagraaudio.com]
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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: Harbourmaster
Date: October 20, 2006 04:30PM
Those Carys look pretty sweet Phil!

I love the sound of my Dynaco equipment, even CDs sound "better" on it and nothing can match the sound of FM radio captured with a Tube Tuner!



Aloha, Ken


“I have developed significant attachments to several members even though I wouldn't recognize them if I sat next to one on a park bench. I'm often tempted when in an airport to walk around, hollering "The Løpe", to see if anyone other than the Homeland Security people will acknowledge me. ” - The Løpe

"If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion, or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us." Justice Robert Jackson
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Re: Nicest Pair of Mark IIIs I have seen in a Looooooooong Time! (bandwidth warning)
Posted by: Dick Moore
Date: October 22, 2006 09:26PM
This engineer never liked the Mk III's or any of the Dynacos due to the economical but lousy sounding pentode input/triode split load phase inverter. Didn't matter whether it was a 6AN8 or a 7199 or whatever, they gulped when overdriven and sounded like you know what. Nevertheless, Harbourmaster, that is indeed a beautiful pair of amps.

A triode input driving a twin-triode cathode-coupled phase inverter, using, for example, the 12AX7 driving a 6CG7, or better, a 12BH7, was much better sounding all the way around, such as used in the big EICO EL-34 based amps and many, many others.



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