Sorry. You haven't discovered quantum gravity or come up with a new grand unified field theory.

But you've mastered reheating tea to the perfect temperature before the microwave even chimes. That's gotta be worth something.

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PhD student Emily Petroff made the discovery at the Parkes telescope, after noticing that the signals were only received during business hours.

The rays, known as "perytons", were emitted when impatient staff opened the microwave door prematurely.

Although discovered in January the revelation has only come to light after Ms Petroff published her paper, "Identifying the source of perytons at the Parkes radio telescope."

She concluded that "tests revealed that peryton events can be generated under the right set of circumstances with on-site microwave ovens....and can account for bimodal DM distribution of the known perytons."

Or in layman's terms, as Ms Petroff told ABC News: "It turns out that you can generate these particular local signals by opening the door of the microwave to stop the microwave, and that produces these weird bursts that we're seeing at Parkes."

"It was kind of a surprise to all of us," she added.

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I don't know why you're complaining. She discovered an artifact and published it so that folks who might have otherwise wasted their time on peryton research have things cleared up. She should be congratulated.

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I don't know why you're complaining. She discovered an artifact and published it so that folks who might have otherwise wasted their time on peryton research have things cleared up. She should be congratulated.

I'm not dissing Petroff. She did a great job and the revelation will allow scientists to untangle a lot of bad data from their models, possibly leading to the very discovery that the bad data originally led them to speculate about. Put that aside for a moment and think about this:

Do you have any idea how often scientific "discoveries" turn out to be artifacts from microwave ovens, bad spark plugs in a car, airplanes passing overhead and cell phones seeking a signal from a tower? I read new stories about bloopers like that every few weeks in science blogs and such.

Although it's one of the most frequent problems with radio telescopes, they went 17 years before someone noticed a pattern and did a thorough check for contamination from a terrestrial source.

That's amazing.

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Just wait for when they find the problems with the computer modeling for climate change.

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Note to radio astronomers: Keep your hands off of those peryton buttons...

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Just wait for when they find the problems with the computer modeling for climate change.

Must be one heck of a microwave oven out there somewhere.

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Just wait for when they find the problems with the computer modeling for climate change.

C'mon, bill! They can't predict tomorrow's weather accurately but there are problems with forecasting 20, 30, and 50 years out?

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Just wait for when they find the problems with the computer modeling for climate change.

C'mon, bill! They can't predict tomorrow's weather accurately but there are problems with forecasting 20, 30, and 50 years out?

Why, yes, it is easier to predict climate change 50 years out than it is to forecast tomorrow's weather simply because we can measure our current CO2 output and extrapolate it to 50 years. And we can predict what will happen if we alter that output.

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Just wait for when they find the problems with the computer modeling for climate change.

C'mon, bill! They can't predict tomorrow's weather accurately but there are problems with forecasting 20, 30, and 50 years out?

Why, yes, it is easier to predict climate change 50 years out than it is to forecast tomorrow's weather simply because we can measure our current CO2 output and extrapolate it to 50 years. And we can predict what will happen if we alter that output.

The long list of logical fallacies just won't decompose.

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Just wait for when they find the problems with the computer modeling for climate change.

C'mon, bill! They can't predict tomorrow's weather accurately but there are problems with forecasting 20, 30, and 50 years out?

Why, yes, it is easier to predict climate change 50 years out than it is to forecast tomorrow's weather simply because we can measure our current CO2 output and extrapolate it to 50 years. And we can predict what will happen if we alter that output.

The long list of logical fallacies just won't decompose.

One of the main ones being equating short-term weather fluctuations with long term climatic trends.

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Just wait for when they find the problems with the computer modeling for climate change.

C'mon, bill! They can't predict tomorrow's weather accurately but there are problems with forecasting 20, 30, and 50 years out?

Why, yes, it is easier to predict climate change 50 years out than it is to forecast tomorrow's weather simply because we can measure our current CO2 output and extrapolate it to 50 years. And we can predict what will happen if we alter that output.

The long list of logical fallacies just won't decompose.

One of the main ones being equating short-term weather fluctuations with long term climatic trends.

We all admire your commitment to beating that dead horse.

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Just wait for when they find the problems with the computer modeling for climate change.

C'mon, bill! They can't predict tomorrow's weather accurately but there are problems with forecasting 20, 30, and 50 years out?

Why, yes, it is easier to predict climate change 50 years out than it is to forecast tomorrow's weather simply because we can measure our current CO2 output and extrapolate it to 50 years. And we can predict what will happen if we alter that output.

The long list of logical fallacies just won't decompose.

One of the main ones being equating short-term weather fluctuations with long term climatic trends.

We all admire your commitment to beating that dead horse.

Is that the latest Fox News code phrase? It's only a dead horse to the science-deniers who drink at the Koch brothers' propaganda trough.

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Wow - what a thread to try to get pushed to the other side with petty bickering.

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Wow - what a thread to try to get pushed to the other side with petty bickering.

People are cranky because it's Thursday.

BREAKING: Microwaves discovered on other planets!

Data for my Masters Thesis on biofeedback in the 70's was heavily influenced by a nearby radio station. We did not come anywhere close to controlling the things that needed to be controlled. That said, I got my degree, moved on to other work and never pretended that I had added to scientific knowlege.

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Just wait for when they find the problems with the computer modeling for climate change.

Must be one heck of a microwave oven out there somewhere.

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